Guest guest Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 Dear Steveji, " But when " I'm " aware of multiple awarenesses, mustn't that which says " There are multilple awarenesses " be just one awareness?? " Well when I say I am aware of multiple awarenesses, the word aware is being used in a different sense in the first and second instance. When I say I am aware of multiple awarenesses (which I wouldn't because it seems unneccesarily sloppy), it probably means that I know that multiple awarenesses exist by means of inference. It is not " I " or awareness which knows this, but it is mental knowledge, like all other inference. That which says " there are multiple awarenesses " is the mind - this idea is just a mental modification. How does the mind know there are multiple awarenesses? It doesn't know for sure, but it thinks so based on inference, not direct perception. " I think, maybe that logically all we CAN show is that there is one awareness. " To be precise, I would say that all we can show is that there is at least one awareness. This doens't mean we have shown there is one awareness - it means we have shown that one is sure and then there could be more or less. The purpose of such arguments in Vedanta is not to establish the Vedantic position but to simply to show that there is no proof that there are multiple awarenesses. This doesn't mean there is logical proof that there is one awareness, either. Dear Dhyanasaraswatiji, " What can you learn from a Shotriya - may be the scriptures , right ? but only a brahmanishta can impart the sacred knowledge of Brahman ?( brahmavidya) - a look or a touch is enough from a knower of a Brahman ! " A look or touch (or presence more generally) from a brahmanistha may give rise to an experience where the mind becomes pure sattva owing to physiological conditions set up by the brahmanistha's kundalini- shakti. However, this doesn't help because once the teacher is gone, the physiological circumstances are gone, and the experience is also gone. All experiences are impermanent and are just a more rarefied aspect of samsara. Only understanding the way things are can really help us and to that end, and thus, teachings alone offer a systematic basis for gaining atma-anubhava. People have been using them succesfully to this end for generations. Regards, Rishi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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