Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Cecilia : i am sorry - if you find my message to be upsetting - it was not at all meant to be ironical - i know Sunderji for the past several years and find him to be a very noble soul .... since you do not know me , you misinterpreted my message .... if that is so , i apologize once again ... but i am sure , sunderji will not misunderstand me because i still reiterate he is the most 'dharmic' man i have met on the net and the most self less man ?( because he always helps us all out with reference materials and questions ) and as far as 'liberation' is concerned , that is a big word ... if you read his posts , you will know how 'learned'' he is ... and as far other members , let them speak for themselves ... i will work on my style for your benefit in the future - and please do not get upset any more ... love and regards In advaitin , " Cecilia " <martone wrote: > > Sorry, but in the way you speak I feel a kind of irony, is it so? If so, I > would like to ask the list members if irony suits with this most respectable > list subject. If it is irony, it is highly upsetting to me, what about the > other members? > > I believe we have many ways to discuss things, without the need to use > irony. > > Thank you all > > Cecilia > -----Mensagem original----- > De: advaitin [advaitin ]Em nome de > dhyanasaraswati > Enviada em: segunda-feira, 2 de julho de 2007 18:08 > Para: advaitin > Assunto: Re: Weekly Definitions - Karma > > > Is It a coincidence or what ? > > Our beloved Sunderji has the fortune of defining three most popular > terms in Hinduism - Dharma , Moksha and now Karma . Yes - he is > most qualified to do so - Yes! Righteous ( dharmic) ,Selfless ( not > attached to the fruits of his actions) and certainly , Liberated ( > moksha) in more than one sense of the word ... our moderator > Sunderji ! > > Sunderji , in your entire post ,i am delighted to point out that you > quoted my most favorite verse from Srimad Bhagavad Gita ... > > In Gita, 5:8-9, are described other actions ( " seeing, hearing, > touching, smelling, eating, going, sleeping, breathing, speaking, > letting go, seizing, opening and closing the eyes " ,) which are > expressed by a truth-knower as " I do nothing at all, the senses > move among the sense-objects. > > Yes! pl read the Sanskrit slokas - how beautiful it sounds ! > > naiva kincit karomiti > yukto manyeta tattva-vit > pasyan srnvan sprsan jighrann > asnan gacchan svapan svasan (verse 8, chapter 5) > > pralapan visrjan grhnann > unmisan nimisann api > indriyanindriyarthesu > vartanta iti dharayan ( verse 9, chapter 5) > > Wow! abandon all sense of doership - very advaitic , is not it ? > > In fact , our beloved Ramana bhagwan goes one step further and > says " Sri Ramana Maharshi accepted the validity of the laws of > Karma but said that they were only applicable as long as a person > imagined that he was *separate from the Self.* At this level (the > level of the ajnani or the ignorant), he said that individuals will > pass through a series of pre-ordained activities and experiences, > all of which are the consequences of previous acts and thoughts. He > occasionally even said that every act and experience in a person's > life is determined at birth and that the only freedom one has is to > realise that there is no one acting and no one experiencing. > However, once one realises the Self there is no one left to > experience the consequences of actions and so the whole structure of > Karmic laws then becomes redundant. " > > To read Bhagwan's views on all types of Karma ( prarabhda , > sanchita , agaami karma etc) go to > > http:://www.hinduism.co.za/karma & .htm > > on this note , i would like to take leave of you all for a long , > long 'indepencence' day weekend - i will be attending a four day > wedding celebration in Dallas Texas - my nephew decided to lose his > independence 'after being the most eliogible bachelor for thirty > long years! > > Well, my most favorite quote on Karma yoga is from our beloved > Father of the nation , Mahatma Gandhiji > > " The biggest of karmayogis never gives up devotional songs or > worship. " > > love and regards > > with love to all > > In advaitin , " Sunder Hattangadi " <sunderh@> wrote: > > > > Weekly Definitions – Karma July 1, 2007 > > > > Perhaps no word captures the mystery of human existence as > > suggestively as the word Karma. It is a word that evokes such a > host > > of associated ideas – ethical-moral, psychological, metaphysical, > and > > mystical - that one can easily lose one's bearings in trying to > > understand it. - --------- > -- > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > Scan engine: McAfee VirusScan / Atualizado em 02/07/2007 / Versão: > 5.1.00/5065 > Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://mail.terra.com.br/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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