Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Namaste, all <<WHO IS THE PERCEIVER OF WAKING AND DREAM STATES?>> Surely, the one who is asking this question! Warm Regards R. S. Mani Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Hello, I am, you are, he, she, it, is/are the perceiver of the dreaming and waking states, since the dream/waking state cannot perceive itself. But the perceiver cannot be perceived...I guess. Did I pass the test? Best wishes, Steve. ______________________________\ ____ Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness./webhosting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Beautiful Steve - God Bless you - perceiver cannot be perceived as an object. But I am self-perceiving consciousness that I am. Just as in dream, the waker's mind, supported by 'I am - the existence and consciousness', pervades all the beings and non-beings, nay the entire dream universe, the prakRiti supported by 'I am - the existence consciousness', nay the entire walking world. I cannot be perceived since I am not object of perception. I am self-conscious and self-existent entity that perceives itself in the very statement 'I am'. Bhagavan Ramana says 'aham aham tayaa, sphurati hRit swayam, parama puurna sat' - I am - I am - spontaneously raises in the mind I am that I am - and that I am is different from egotistical i am - since it is the most supreme (paramam) and it is complete and unlimited (puurnam) and it is of the nature of existence itself (sat -sawaruupam). Yes, I am not an object of perception, but it is because of me, everything else is perceived in the dream and in the waking world. In fact I am the very support of everything - both in the dream world and in the waking world. Hari Om! Sadananda --- Steve Stoker <otnac6 wrote: > Hello, > > I am, you are, he, she, it, is/are the perceiver of > the dreaming and waking states, since the > dream/waking > state cannot perceive itself. But the perceiver > cannot > be perceived...I guess. Did I pass the test? Best > wishes, Steve. > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small > Business gives you all the tools to get online. > http://smallbusiness./webhosting > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Thank you for the blessing! One can never be blessed enough in this relative realm in which we all share. Hopefully, all will know blessing beyond the appearance and apparent limitation of " the world " . I pass the blessing on and extend it. May blessing increase a trillion fold. Thanks and best wishes, Steve. ______________________________\ ____ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. http://travel./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 ....Even so, even knowing that the perceiver cannot be perceived I still seem to attempt to see the seer! Will I never learn? I constantly say things like " I'm going to the store, " " I'm going to read, " " I'm tired " and then I " do " those things or " act " based on the thought. Yet I cannot possibly be the same as those doings and actings because if I were the same as them I couldn't know them. If I read I must be different from the reading other wise there would be no difference between me and the reading and reading could not be known...yet I still sometimes think--or forget?--that I can see the seer when all I ever see is something different from me...Arrrgggghhhh! Neti, neti...I have to laugh at me sometimes! Ha! Best wishes, Steve. Dhyan--I didn't know what that meant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Not you. If there is a perceiver, this would objectify who you are and you are not an object. That is, if you can perceive a perceiver, you are beyond that which you perceive. " Nothing whatsoever should be clung to as 'me' or 'mine' " . advaitin , sreenivasa murthy <narayana145 wrote: > > H.N.Sreenivasa murthy > Pranams to all. > > Dear Readers, > > WHO IS THE PERCEIVER OF WAKING AND DREAM STATES? > > With warm and respectful regards, > Sreenivasa Murthy > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Steve: if you are interested in thin topic of the 'seer ' and the 'seen' , it is my pleasure to direct you to Sadaji's post on this subject at http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/2006- March/016878.html - 25k and if you are interested in the whole thread and the author's views on the Subject you can click on the Author and bring up all the articles on the thread! Happy Reading! love and regards advaitin , Steve Stoker <otnac6 wrote: > > Thank you for the blessing! One can never be blessed > enough in this relative realm in which we all share. > Hopefully, all will know blessing beyond the > appearance and apparent limitation of " the world " . I > pass the blessing on and extend it. May blessing > increase a trillion fold. Thanks and best wishes, Steve. > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Need a vacation? Get great deals > to amazing places on Travel. > http://travel./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Thanks, I've saved the site! ______________________________\ ____ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=graduation+gifts & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 --- dhyanasaraswati <dhyanasaraswati wrote: > Steve: > > if you are interested in thin topic of the 'seer ' > and the 'seen' , > it is my pleasure to direct you to Sadaji's post on > this subject > at > > http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/2006- > March/016878.html - 25k Dhyanasaraswatiji - PraNAms Are you sure about the reference - I was trying to be SEER trying to see what I wrote. I failed to be a seer of the post! Hari Om! Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 advaitin@ s.com, sreenivasa murthy <narayana145@ ...> wrote: > > H.N.Sreenivasa murthy > Pranams to all. > > Dear Readers, > > WHO IS THE PERCEIVER OF WAKING AND DREAM STATES? > > With warm and respectful regards, > Sreenivasa Murthy Shree Sreenivasa Murthy - PraNAms Your question can be answered at different levels. As Maniji pointed out, at the normal transactional level, one who is a seer is the ego entity - consciousness identified with Body, mind and intellect. That is the direct answer. At level of jiivan mukta, one who has realized, Krishna say - pasyan, sRinvan ... etc - 'I am' never a seer or hearer but the hearing or seeing will go on in my presence - indriyaaH indriyaartheshu vartante - the sense organs supported by the mind which is supported by the reflected consciousness, are the seers and hearers etc. Action is being done at the level of prakRiti level. From the point of pure consciousness - I am neither doer not enjoyer - akarthaaham abhoktaaham. For saadhana - or meditation, one has to shift ones attention from the seer-seen duality to the action-less witnessing consciousness. Ones one is established in that transcend even that witness-witnessed duality to firmly establish in one's own pure nature - pure existence-consciousness and Bliss. This can be done, not by just questioning or reading, but seeing the truth as it is, by discarding all duality as we read - by recognizing that the truth is advaita and any dvaita that is seen is only apparent and not real. Hence seer-seen-seeing triad has to dissolve into one that I am - not physically, but in the understanding. Hari Om! Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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