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Namaste, all

<<WHO IS THE PERCEIVER OF WAKING AND DREAM STATES?>>

Surely, the one who is asking this question!

Warm Regards

 

 

 

 

R. S. Mani

 

 

 

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Hello,

 

I am, you are, he, she, it, is/are the perceiver of

the dreaming and waking states, since the dream/waking

state cannot perceive itself. But the perceiver cannot

be perceived...I guess. Did I pass the test? Best

wishes, Steve.

 

 

 

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Beautiful Steve - God Bless you - perceiver cannot be

perceived as an object. But I am self-perceiving

consciousness that I am. Just as in dream, the waker's

mind, supported by 'I am - the existence and

consciousness', pervades all the beings and

non-beings, nay the entire dream universe, the

prakRiti supported by 'I am - the existence

consciousness', nay the entire walking world. I

cannot be perceived since I am not object of

perception. I am self-conscious and self-existent

entity that perceives itself in the very statement 'I

am'.

 

Bhagavan Ramana says 'aham aham tayaa, sphurati hRit

swayam, parama puurna sat' - I am - I am -

spontaneously raises in the mind I am that I am - and

that I am is different from egotistical i am - since

it is the most supreme (paramam) and it is complete

and unlimited (puurnam) and it is of the nature of

existence itself (sat -sawaruupam).

 

Yes, I am not an object of perception, but it is

because of me, everything else is perceived in the

dream and in the waking world. In fact I am the very

support of everything - both in the dream world and in

the waking world.

 

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

--- Steve Stoker <otnac6 wrote:

 

> Hello,

>

> I am, you are, he, she, it, is/are the perceiver of

> the dreaming and waking states, since the

> dream/waking

> state cannot perceive itself. But the perceiver

> cannot

> be perceived...I guess. Did I pass the test? Best

> wishes, Steve.

>

>

>

>

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Thank you for the blessing! One can never be blessed

enough in this relative realm in which we all share.

Hopefully, all will know blessing beyond the

appearance and apparent limitation of " the world " . I

pass the blessing on and extend it. May blessing

increase a trillion fold. Thanks and best wishes, Steve.

 

 

 

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....Even so, even knowing that the perceiver cannot be perceived I still

seem to attempt to see the seer! Will I never learn? I constantly say

things like " I'm going to the store, " " I'm going to read, " " I'm tired "

and then I " do " those things or " act " based on the thought. Yet I

cannot possibly be the same as those doings and actings because if I

were the same as them I couldn't know them. If I read I must be

different from the reading other wise there would be no difference

between me and the reading and reading could not be known...yet I still

sometimes think--or forget?--that I can see the seer when all I ever

see is something different from me...Arrrgggghhhh! Neti, neti...I have

to laugh at me sometimes! Ha! Best wishes, Steve.

 

Dhyan--I didn't know what that meant!

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Not you. If there is a perceiver, this would objectify who you are

and you are not an object.

 

That is, if you can perceive a perceiver, you are beyond that which

you perceive.

 

" Nothing whatsoever should be clung to as 'me' or 'mine' " .

 

 

advaitin , sreenivasa murthy <narayana145

wrote:

>

> H.N.Sreenivasa murthy

> Pranams to all.

>

> Dear Readers,

>

> WHO IS THE PERCEIVER OF WAKING AND DREAM STATES?

>

> With warm and respectful regards,

> Sreenivasa Murthy

>

>

>

> Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.

>

>

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Steve:

 

if you are interested in thin topic of the 'seer ' and the 'seen' ,

it is my pleasure to direct you to Sadaji's post on this subject

at

 

http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/2006-

March/016878.html - 25k

 

and if you are interested in the whole thread and the author's views

on the Subject you can click on the Author and bring up all the

articles on the thread!

 

Happy Reading!

 

love and regards

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

advaitin , Steve Stoker <otnac6 wrote:

>

> Thank you for the blessing! One can never be blessed

> enough in this relative realm in which we all share.

> Hopefully, all will know blessing beyond the

> appearance and apparent limitation of " the world " . I

> pass the blessing on and extend it. May blessing

> increase a trillion fold. Thanks and best wishes, Steve.

>

>

>

>

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--- dhyanasaraswati <dhyanasaraswati wrote:

 

> Steve:

>

> if you are interested in thin topic of the 'seer '

> and the 'seen' ,

> it is my pleasure to direct you to Sadaji's post on

> this subject

> at

>

>

http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/2006-

> March/016878.html - 25k

 

Dhyanasaraswatiji - PraNAms

Are you sure about the reference - I was trying to be

SEER trying to see what I wrote. I failed to be a

seer of the post!

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

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advaitin@ s.com, sreenivasa murthy

<narayana145@ ...>

wrote:

>

> H.N.Sreenivasa murthy

> Pranams to all.

>

> Dear Readers,

>

> WHO IS THE PERCEIVER OF WAKING AND DREAM STATES?

>

> With warm and respectful regards,

> Sreenivasa Murthy

 

Shree Sreenivasa Murthy - PraNAms

 

Your question can be answered at different levels. As

Maniji pointed out, at the normal transactional level,

one who is a seer is the ego entity - consciousness

identified with Body, mind and intellect. That is the

direct answer.

 

At level of jiivan mukta, one who has realized,

Krishna say - pasyan, sRinvan ... etc - 'I am' never a

seer or hearer but the hearing or seeing will go on in

my presence - indriyaaH indriyaartheshu vartante - the

sense organs supported by the mind which is supported

by the reflected consciousness, are the seers and

hearers etc. Action is being done at the level of

prakRiti level.

 

From the point of pure consciousness - I am neither

doer not enjoyer - akarthaaham abhoktaaham.

 

For saadhana - or meditation, one has to shift ones

attention from the seer-seen duality to the

action-less witnessing consciousness. Ones one is

established in that transcend even that

witness-witnessed duality to firmly establish in one's

own pure nature - pure existence-consciousness and

Bliss.

 

This can be done, not by just questioning or reading,

but seeing the truth as it is, by discarding all

duality as we read - by recognizing that the truth is

advaita and any dvaita that is seen is only apparent

and not real. Hence seer-seen-seeing triad has to

dissolve into one that I am - not physically, but in

the understanding.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

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