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Dear Prabhuji !

 

Hari Hari Bol!

 

Please read message number #36361 titled Re: 'This Sun is brahman

and I too am brahman' in this post , i have written in detail about

Sri Tyagaraja's beautiful composition Dwaitamu Sukhama ? A –

Dvaitamu Sukhamaa ?

 

(Which conduces to beatitude ( " sukhamaa " ), Dvaita or Advaita ?

Dvaita which declares that Jivaatma is different from the Paramaatma

or Advaita which asserts that they are identical ?)

 

i have reproduced the entire Song in Telegu along with the full

meaning !

 

Incidentally Sri Tyagaraja was a a Bhakta of Lord Rama but like all

parama bhaktas , he was also a parama jnani!

 

He has also composed another beautiful song called " intakannAnanda

mEmi! O rAma rAma " in Raga Bilahari

 

whose lyrics and meaninga are given below !

 

intakannAnanda mEmi! O rAma rAma !

santajanulakElla sammatiyuNTE gAni

 

caraNam 1

ADutsu nAdamuna pADutsu yEduraTa vEDutsu manasuna gUDiyuNDEdi tsAlu

 

caraNam 2

shrIharikIrtanacE dEhAdi indriya samUhamula maranci sOhamainadE tsAlu

 

caraNam 3

nIjapamula vELa nI jagamulu nIvai rAjillunayya tyAgarAjanuta carita

 

Meaning:

 

O Rama! What can be greater bliss that this? All the saints are of

the same view!

 

Dancing and singing and praying for your grace, keeping you well

established in the mind! (What can be greater bliss than this?)

 

Singing the glory of Hari, forgetting the body and its senses and

ever realising the one truth of *I am That *(What can be greater

bliss than this?)

 

While chanting your name, the entire universe dissolves into you! O

Rama, object of Tyagaraja's worship! (What can be greater bliss than

this?)

 

EXPLANATION

 

This is a divyanAma kriti. It is therefore without an anupallavi. It

is a gem in alliteration, with terms such as Adutsu, vEDutsu etc

beautifully rhyming and almost giving a word picture of a Rama

Bhajana in progress. It also shows the Bhakti method of realising

the Supreme.

 

http://www.www.sangeetham.com/tygkritis/IntakannAnandamEmi.htm

 

Prabhuji :

 

let me quote to you a verse from Srimad Bhagavad Gita :

 

bhaktya tv ananyaya sakya

aham evam-vidho 'rjuna

jnatum drastum ca tattvena

pravestum ca parantapa ( chapter 11 , verse 54)

 

A great bhaktha of Lord Krishna , Srila Prabhpada translates this

verse thus

 

My dear Arjuna, only by undivided devotional service can I be

understood as I am, standing before you, and can thus be seen

directly. Only in this way can you enter into the mysteries of My

understanding.

 

A great vedanti like Swami Chinmayananda translates the same verse

thus :

 

But, by single-minded devotion, can I, of this Form, be 'known'

and 'seen' in reality, and also 'entered' into, O Parantapa (O

scorcher of your foes)!

 

Regarding devotion Shankara says: " No doubt, of the means available

for liberating ourselves, the most substantial hardware is Bhakti;

and identifying ourselves with the Self is called Bhakti. "

 

Anyway , Prabhuji - all bhaktas start with 'apara' bhakti by

worshipping the archavigraha murthi of the Lord by offering prayers

and performing daily pujas etc but in course of time as bhakthi

matures , the bhakta proceeds to the 'para bhakthi' stage where the

bhakta feels 'oneness' with the object of worship , his Lord , and

realizes the advaitic jnana 'i and the lord are one! This is what

vaishnavites call Sahujyam or kaivalyam and advaitins

call 'mukthi' ! The end result is the same but the paths are

different! In the Srima Bhagavad gita it is said that both Bhakti

and Jnana can co- exist side by side and are not opposed to each

other ! Karma yoga and bhakti yoga can also co-exist ! The only

question is can karma yoga and jnana yoga co-exist side by side ?

you will get your answers in chapter 12 of the Srimad Bhagwat Gita !

 

A bhakta worships the Lord first and reaches advaitic jnana ! A

jnani wishes to know and understand everything about the lord first

before merging with the higher self( paramatman) !

 

Bhaskar prabhuji , let us hear your views on this subject!

 

love and regards

 

Hari Aum Tat Sat !

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hare krishna, namaskarams

there are two bhaskarans currently seen in the mails and i would humbly submit

that i am known by the name as baskaran and not bhaskaran prabhuji.

 

i just sent the post as i enjoyed the song and was " nt aware of message 36361 by

smt.dyanasraswathy.anyhow i thank smt.D for the song " intakannA anandamumemi " in

bhilahari.

i am bsically a krishna bhaktan and an advaitin at heart and have few songs

written by me with the blessings of the lord and my mother who is my guru..

" Dancing and singing and praying for your grace, keeping you well

 

established in the mind! (What can be greater bliss than this?)

 

 

 

Singing the glory of Hari, forgetting the body and its senses and

 

ever realising the one truth of *I am That *(What can be greater

 

bliss than this?) "

 

 

yes that is what i am, singing the glory of hari ever realising the one truth

of " that I am " .

 

 

all the three yogas lead to the ultimate knowledge " sarvam brahmamayam jagat "

for that matter it could be any way/yoga a jeeva chooses to know and reach the

lord and the lord leads him in as many ways as his guru.

 

 

baskaran

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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hare krishna, namaskarams

there are two bhaskarans currently seen in the mails and i would humbly

submit that i am known by the name as baskaran and not bhaskaran prabhuji.

 

praNAms baskaran prabhuji

Hare Krishna

 

My name is not baskaran prabhuji :-)) I am only Bhaskar ( note the *bha* -

mahAprANa in my name bhAskar).

 

 

 

Now, with regard to your mail, baskaran prabhuji, I have a doubt with the

following translation..:

 

 

// quote //

 

 

As the Eternal Witness ( " saakshi " ) of cosmos ( " saarva " ), please

enlighten me ( " maa vinu " ), Lord ( " Chaitanya " ). Throw light ( " delpumu " )

on this mystery ( " vistaaramugaanu " ) so that I comprehend ( " naato " ) it

beyond any doubt.

 

 

//unquote//

 

 

As far as my limited knowledge goes in Telugu the word vistAramugA's

(vistaaramugaanu) meaning is *in an elaborated manner*, & nAto (naato)

means *with me* with this I think the word *delpumu* has the different

meaning here...I request Sri Sadananda prabhujigaaru to clarify this.

 

 

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

 

 

bhaskar

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Baskaran-ji:

 

on my part, there was no confusion! i had addressed my mail to

Bhaskar prabhuji ( long term member of this list) He is the one who

addresses everyone as Prabhuji! please read my post carefully there

is no mention of either Baskaran or Bhaskar !

 

i have no problem with your repeating the song 'Dwaitamo sukhama' -

great things are worth repeating! Smile:-)

 

i am glad to know you are a great krishna bhaktin! Bhakti leads to

mukthi !

 

Did you all know that Saint Tyagaraja actually saw Sri Rama face to

face in a dream ten days before he attained Samadhi! It was said

that Lord Rama appeared before him on 27-12-1846 in his dream and

offered him Moksha after 10 days. Next day he revealed this to his

disciples and relatives during 'Ekadesi Bhajanai'.Believe it or

not , He united with his lord and master Sri Rama on 6-1-1847!

 

In his beautiful composition " Nidhi Chala Sukama, Thyagaraja states

clearly that it is not wealth that he desries but only the lotus

feet of the Lord!

 

Great Saints like Thyagaraja , Muthuswamy Dikshitir , Shyama Satry

and Annamachariar all were parama bhaktas and parama jnanis! They

were not bhaktas outwardly , they also practiced advaita bhava -

seeing the Lord ( self) in everyone! Vaasudevam Sarvam iti ( LORD

KRISHNA IS EVERYWHERE) and Vasudaiva kUTMBAKAM (THE WHOLE WORLD IS

MY FAMILY) were their philosophical approaches!

 

Baskar-ji , why don't you share some of your poems with us ?

 

love and regards

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In advaitin , Baskaran <baskaran42 wrote:

>

> hare krishna, namaskarams

> there are two bhaskarans currently seen in the mails and i would

humbly submit that i am known by the name as baskaran and not

bhaskaran prabhuji.

>

> i just sent the post as i enjoyed the song and was " nt aware of

message 36361 by smt.dyanasraswathy.anyhow i thank smt.D for the

song " intakannA anandamumemi " in bhilahari.

> i am bsically a krishna bhaktan and an advaitin at heart and have

few songs written by me with the blessings of the lord and my mother

who is my guru..

> " Dancing and singing and praying for your grace, keeping you well

>

> established in the mind! (What can be greater bliss than this?)

>

>

>

> Singing the glory of Hari, forgetting the body and its senses and

>

> ever realising the one truth of *I am That *(What can be greater

>

> bliss than this?) "

>

>

> yes that is what i am, singing the glory of hari ever realising

the one truth of " that I am " .

>

>

> all the three yogas lead to the ultimate knowledge " sarvam

brahmamayam jagat "

> for that matter it could be any way/yoga a jeeva chooses to know

and reach the lord and the lord leads him in as many ways as his

guru.

>

>

> baskaran

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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