Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 --- srikanta wrote: >Practically speaking,in these days, it is hard > to get a Guru who is > honest and who is a " Brahmanishta " . >The Gurus > themselves are too occupied > with the World and their own problems and are > groping in the dark. PraNAms As I understand: How does a guru should look like? Shankara gives a beautiful sloka in Bhajagovindam. yogaratOvA bhOgaratOvA sangharatovA sanghavihInaH| yasyat brahmaNi ramate chittam nadati nandati nadatyeva|| He may look like a yogi or bhogi; he may be a man of downtown or sitting in the caves of Himalayas, he is the one whose mind is constantly raveling in the Brahman. And where is that Brahman for him to revel. 'antar bhahischa tat sarvam vyaapya naaraayana sthitaH' - he is inside and out side. So wherever and whatever he is involved, he is involved in or with Brahman. Then Gurus NEED NOT be some remote uninvolved entities but those who could very well be deeply involved in the problems of the world. Are there honest gurus and dishonest gurus in the world? - There are only honest or dishonest shishyaas, not gurus. I have to discover a guru not that there are gurus that are there for me to pick up selecting those who are honest and rejecting those who are dishonest. If my mind becomes mature enough to discover a guru, Lord himself will show me one from whom I gain the knowledge that need to be gained. That is the Law. There are no certifications that one is guru and one is not. I will discover a guru from whom I gained the required knowledge. The best thing is not to look for a guru. He will come when the time is right. What is needed is to be associated with satsangh? sat sanghatve nissangatvam nissangate nirmohatvam nirmohatve nischala tatvam nischala tatve jiivan muktaH|| Prepare the mind and let it blooms like a flower, a bee shall come in appropriate time. That is the law of nature. One discovers in ones heart that this person is my guru when he realizes that because of him I am able to see the truth as the truth. The best thing to do is stop evaluating gurus floating around but do ones saadhana to purify his own heart by associating with satsangh - satsangh is that company in whose presence my mind elevates itself - that includes books, thoughts, conversations and environments. Then one will find a right guru, appropriate for him. Those who discovered their gurus can vouch for it. Others may not vote for him; but you know he is my guru. Hari Om! Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 advaitin , kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada wrote: > > > --- srikanta wrote: > > >Practically speaking,in these days, it is hard > > to get a Guru who is > > honest and who is a " Brahmanishta " . > >The Gurus > > themselves are too occupied > > with the World and their own problems and are > > groping in the dark. > > PraNAms > > > > The best thing to do is stop evaluating gurus floating > around but do ones saadhana to purify his own heart by > associating with satsangh - satsangh is that company > in whose presence my mind elevates itself - that > includes books, thoughts, conversations and > environments. > > > > Hari Om! > Sadananda > Namste Sadananda-Ji: Well said, Knowledgeable individuals keep emitting light without any reservations. Observers see that light of knowledge and perceive it as being different because they are observing it from various different angles. Just like as illustrated in Acharya's daxiNaamuurti stotra (lamp in pot with holes): " naanaachhitdraghaTodarasthitahaadiipaprabhaabhaasvaraM | j~naanaM yasya tu caxuraadikaraNadvaaraa bahiH sapndate || As as saadhaka one needs to recognize that the source is one and the same which he/she was perceiving as being different. The one who assists the realization of this process is a living guru. If one realizes by them selves then more power to them as ultimately the real guru (the knowledge) is in in you yourself. yaH saaxaatkurute prabodhasamaye svaatmaanamevaadvayaM || Thus the effort is to be made by the saadhka to become ONE with the source. This is like reading a text in the text book. The knowledge given is emitting through the words of the author. Once the reader understands what is being said, he has become ONE with the author. When he starts applying it in practice it (the knowledge) then it becomes meaningful and other's start see it from this new lamp. Just some thoughts, Kind regards, Dr. Yadu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Nameste Sadananda, I really appreciate the clarity you expressed here, " One discovers in ones heart that this person is my guru when he realizes that because of him I am able to see the truth as the truth. " So the sense of the Guru rises from the truth you are able to see within yourself. Not by ANY external 'measurement' or 'standard.' Thank you. Not two, Richard advaitin , kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada wrote: > As I understand: > > How does a guru should look like? Shankara gives a > beautiful sloka in Bhajagovindam. > > yogaratOvA bhOgaratOvA > sangharatovA sanghavihInaH| > yasyat brahmaNi ramate chittam > nadati nandati nadatyeva|| > > He may look like a yogi or bhogi; he may be a man of > downtown or sitting in the caves of Himalayas, > he is the one whose mind is constantly raveling in the > Brahman. > Snip > > The best thing is not to look for a guru. He will > come when the time is right. What is needed is to be > associated with satsangh? > > sat sanghatve nissangatvam > nissangate nirmohatvam > nirmohatve nischala tatvam > nischala tatve jiivan muktaH|| > > Prepare the mind and let it blooms like a flower, a > bee shall come in appropriate time. That is the law of > nature. > > One discovers in ones heart that this person is my > guru when he realizes that because of him I am able to > see the truth as the truth. > > The best thing to do is stop evaluating gurus floating > around but do ones saadhana to purify his own heart by > associating with satsangh - satsangh is that company > in whose presence my mind elevates itself - that > includes books, thoughts, conversations and > environments. > > Then one will find a right guru, appropriate for him. > Those who discovered their gurus can vouch for it. > Others may not vote for him; but you know he is my > guru. > > Hari Om! > Sadananda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 --- Richard Clarke <richard wrote: > " One discovers in ones heart that this person is my > guru when he realizes that because of him I am able > to > see the truth as the truth. " > > So the sense of the Guru rises from the truth you > are able to see > within yourself. Not by ANY external 'measurement' > or 'standard.' > Shree Richard - PraNAms Yes. No guru will come and declare that I am your guru. A student has to discover that He is my guru and because of him I am able to understand and proceed in the direction pointed out by him and supported by the scriptures. Here the right guru is the one who directs the disciples to the scriptures not to himself as the authority. But it is the responsibility of the student to proceed further and discover in Himself by Himself the truth about Himself. The truth that he discovered is the real truth as ascertained both by Guru and the Shaastra. Thus Shaastra remains the primary pramaaNa for knowledge. My faith is in the guru's interpretation of the shaastra is indeed true to the core. Shankara says - shaastrasya guru vaakyasya satya budhyaavadhaaraNa - is shraddhaa. Words of the shaastra or scriptures as interpreted by the teacher are indeed true - these are the statements of mahaavaakya - you are that or you are none other than Brahman, the infinite existent-consciousness – these are indeed true to the core has to be the realization of the teaching of the guru that has to sink in as a fact not just as a thought. Hari Om! Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Sri Sada Garu ! You are in 'rare' form these days. i am enjoying all your posts .... specially your explanation of the Tyagaraja Kriti on 'Dwaitamu Sukama... etc ... it simply blew my mind! Sadaji , what wonderful words just on the Eve of Guru Purnima ( jan 29, 2007) ! Sadaji writes : (Here the right guru is the one who directs the disciples to the scriptures not to himself as the authority.) ! Viveka chudamani Verse 33 gives the following definition of Guru (Who is versed in the Vedas, sinless, unsmitten by desire and a knower of Brahman par excellence, who has withdrawn himself into Brahman; who is calm, like fire that has consumed its fuel, who is a boundless reservoir of mercy that knows no reason, and a friend of all good people who prostrate themselves before him.) (translated by Swami Madhavananda of Advaita Ashrama , Calcutta) Verse 474 of Viveka chudamani also says (what Sadaji Says) In the realisation of the Atman, the Existence-Knowledge-Bliss Absolute, through the breaking of one's connection with the bondage of Avidya or ignorance, the Scriptures, reasoning and the words of the Guru are the proofs, while one's own experience earned by concentrating the mind is another proof. Thank you Sadaji once more for being a 'way pointer ' ( to use J.KRISHNAMURTHY'S EXPRESSION) AUM SRI GURAVE NAMAHA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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