Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Chetan Jayaram <chetan.jayaram Aug 13, 2007 2:41 PM Re: Appaya Dixit narendra sastry <narendra.sastry hi i had seen this website before . " Nyaya Sudha " is the revered Grantha of MAdhwas not Nyaya Muktavali.. Hence the authencity of the information in the webisite fails there itself hahahaha Appayya dikshita was defeated by Sri Vijayeendra Swamy. ( Sri raghavendra swami's gurus guru) in Khumbakonam. Please visit the Appayya dikshita Mutt in Kumbhakonam and you can view it for urself. If u still close u r eyes.. then check the Tanjore Raja's library of artifacts where this debate was recorded. Secondly the MAdhwa grantha quoted in u r mail itself is Wrong. " " Sri Vijayendra was dear to the masses as he was to the classes and the intellectuals- a true Yogi " SaRva bhutahite ratah " and therefore reverenced by all. KumbakoNam holds his name and his memory in the deepest love and esteem to this day. Dr B NK Sharma narrates that he with his own eyes has seen, the revered Sankaracharya of the Kamakoti pitam at Kumbakonam dismounting from his palanquin and walking a small distance near the entrance to the mutt of Vijayaendra and his brindavan there, whenever he had occasion to pass through the mutt of Vijayendra, while proceeding to visit his numerous disciples resident in the Solayappa street further west. It is the life crowded with spectacular achievements of such an unforgettable personality who lent light and glory to one of the most brilliant periods in the history of south India in the golden age of Viajayanagar and post-Vijayanagar periods of Indian History. " " -http://www.dvaita.org/list/list_40/msg00037.html Also refer: 1. http://www.dvaita.org/scholars/vijayindra/Vijayiindra_T_1.html 2. http://www.dvaita.org/list/list_52/msg00024.html Regards Chetan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Dear Narendra : Your Dwaita friend is mixing facts ! The story where Appayya Dikshitar turned the Vishnu Muti into Siva murti was taken from the Swami Sivananda web site ! Either he believes it or he does not ! that is upto your friend Chetan! Narendra-ji , here i reproduce for the benefit of youy friend Chetan professor V,K.ji's entire post where professorji has given a detailed accounft of Appayya Dikistar ! this is where i got the information from! please read and forward it to your friend I recently came across a 150-pagebook titled " Sri Appayya Dikshita " by Dr N. Ramesan, published in 1972 by Srimad Appayya Dikshitendra Granthavaliu Prakashana Samithi, Hyderabad. Here are some extracts that I think may give the readers a glimpse of the personality of Appayya Dikshitar: From the sapta rishis downward, there have been great (i.e., spiritually great) householders in the Indian tradition. One such was Shri Appayya Dikshidar (1520 – 1593 A.D.) As the true advaitin that he was, he saw no differences in the different manifestations of the Supreme Absolute. Stemming the tide of Vaishnavite attacks on Saivism during the one century prior to his times, one of his missions in life turned out to be a reconciliation of creeds, cults and philosophy. He did not think that rival interpretations of the vedas and puranas were entirely in the wrong. He says: ` na sUtrANAm arthAntaram-api bhavad-varyam-ucitaM' (Who can prevent different interpretations when the sUtras themselves are capable of different meanings?). Such was his tolerance in religious beliefs and his ardent desire for the reconciliation of philosophic thoughts. He wrote the `Chatur-mata-sara' to illustrate the philosophical thoughts of the four prominent schools of interpretation of Brahmasutras. The `Naya-manjari' deals with advaita, the `Naya-mani- mala' with Srikanta mata, the `Naya-mayukha-malika' with Ramanuja's philosophy and the `Naya-muktavali' with Madhva's philosophy. His remarkable catholicity of outlook, his thoroughness in writing, his impartiality, his unerring sense of values and his passionate search for truth are all so evident in these writings that *the Vaishnavas have adopted the `Naya-Mayukha-Malika' as their manual for their careful and reverent study and the Madhvas the `Naya-Muktavali'.* (snip snip snip ) Dikshidar graphically describes dvaita as the lowest step, vishishtadvaita as the middle step and sivadvaita and advaita which are very close to each other as the highest steps. ********************************************************************* ********************************************************************* now , narendra IF you read Professorji's post and he clearly says " the Vaishnavas have adopted the `Naya-Mayukha-Malika' as their manual for their careful and reverent study and the Madhvas the `Naya-Muktavali'.* and your friend Chetan says madhavas adopted " Nyaya Sudha " is the revered Grantha not Nyaya Muktavali.. Well, between your friend and professorji , i am inclined to believe our beloved professorji more for he is very knowledgeble and above all he is not biased! in any case what difference the name of the Grantha matters ? the fact that madhawas have afopted 'some' grantha of the great Shiva Bhakta Appayya Dikshitir proves beyond a reasonable doubt what a great Saint Appayya dikishitar was who could address different audiences! Tell your friend that it is possible for great Saints in the olden days to perform miracles ( because of Siddhis) ! For example , let me recapitulate a story from Shankara digvijayam! " During the rainy season, the river Narmada was in spate. The flood waters rose and were about to enter the cave in which Adi Shankara's Guru was sitting, deeply immersed in samadhi. His disciples did not dare to disturb him, though his life was in danger. Then Shankaracharya placed his kamandalu (water pot) at the entrance of the cave saying that it would absorb all the waters of the flood. His words came true. The flood waters could not disturb his Guru's meditation. Guru Govindapada blessed him saying " Just as you contained the flood waters in your kamandalu, you should write commentaries containing the essence of the Vedantic scriptures. By this work you will gain eternal glory. " so , Narendra do we remember Adi Shankara Bhagvadapada for such Miracles or do we Honor Adi Shankara Bhagvadapada for all the great works and commentaries he wrote on the Srimad Bhagwad Gita , upanishads, brahma sutra bhasya ... and other granthas and Slokas ? Narendra , btw ,the fact that Appayya dikshitar was a great Saint and Scholar in no way diminishes the significance of Sri Vijayendra swamy ! let me ask you this - Appayya Dikshitir had no problem accepting the greatness of vaishnavite scholar Vedanta Desikar so much so that Appayya Dikshitir conferred on Sri Vedanta Desikar the title of 'Kavi Tarkika Simham' (Lion- king among poets and logicians)! So why do your vaishnava friends have problem accepting the greatness of shaiva saints? There is no place for 'bigotry' in spirituality! LOVE AND REGARDS -- In advaitin , " narendra sastry " <narendra.sastry wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Chetan Jayaram <chetan.jayaram > Aug 13, 2007 2:41 PM > Re: Appaya Dixit > narendra sastry <narendra.sastry > > hi > > i had seen this website before . " Nyaya Sudha " is the revered Grantha of > MAdhwas not Nyaya Muktavali.. Hence the authencity of the information in the > webisite fails there itself hahahaha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 namaste saraswathi ji very sorry for not replying in time as i was held up in some official work... yes I do believe on our moderators, but my dwaithi friend does on what information available on his trusted source, there is no standard for either of us. even i was told the similar story about our guru Adi shankara, for your information, the most of the dvaithis term Shankara as a demon called manimantha, who got defeated by bheema in aranyaparva, so manimantha after planning with shakuni, decides to take birth as shankara, again he is defeated by bheemas incarnation who is madhvacharya (????), and also these dvaithis claim that, since Shankara is the demon, has not have any ability to comment on brahmasuthras, it is shiva's avEsha, means shiva entered shankaras body, wrote bhashyas and went off, since shiva is below to prAna deva in taratamya, his bhashyas are inferior to madhvas bhAshya, because he is the incarnation of mukhyaprana (???) they still also have some more vulgar stories framed between shankara and ubhayabharathi (sharada maa) which have been written in a book called manimanjari....which has been written by madhvacharayas desciple called trivikrama bhattacharya (whom these dvaithis call as shivas incarnation) these are not the stories running behind the scenes, some couple of years ago, this story was been preached to audience udupi, and traditional dvaithis still believe this is the correct truth about the advaitha and Adi Shankara...(????) importantly , these dvaithis claim, our own shankaracharyas have signed that book as the truth about the life of shankara (???) i was really shocked to all these stories on our guru Shankara but sounded total absurd to me, I know their story suffers from valid pramAnas, as i asked them, where is the pramAna for their guru is the incarnation of mukhya prana, hanuma, bheema (?), other than their guru claiming that he is, in his book vishnu tAtparya nirNaya, they say , they have shruthi pramAna, in rig veda, pavamAna suktha (??) i recalled their way of giving pramana, such as for tatvamasi, to meet their philosophy they term as " atatvamasi, " and for nirguna, they say defectless... etc etc... but these things, for sure would create utter confusions and disturbances for any one who believe in our guru, not the fact that they dont respect the guru, but the anumana, that kills the mind, for that only valid pramAnas help even they claim, vidyaranya swamiji has been defeated by vyasaraja, and jayatheertha muni (teekacharya), ?? and appayya dixit by vijayendra swamiji...(?) but silence on these allegations on our gurus by these people, would definitely don't prove, we are right, we might need to address these issues with valid pramanAs, so that people like me would be in a position to answer them to keep their arrogance down. i try to recall an incident, where one of the advaithi written a book calle " dvaitha khandana " , and wanted to publish that, but jagadguru chandrashekhara bharathi swamiji stopped him from doing that, but dont know exactly what it is.. one thing i want to make sure here is, none of the advaithis hate, or treat dvaithis as their enemies, but the sad thing is , these dvaithis, they are not seeing in that way, just recall, most recently a vaishnava pundit called acharya narendra bhushan, alleging maya vada is the chief reason for countries destruction (??) my question for such people is , mayavada never encouraged differences among the different sections of the people, but their philosophies do, with which only the hatredness among the communities is still burning, so the reason and also now a days, these guys trying to call advaitha as mayavada, and their philosophy as tatvavAda, (??) ....on the contrary even we can call their philosophy as bhEdavAda and vichitrabhedavAda ...?? am really not too sure, how to fix these problems, any how , i know it seeming like an unresolvable dispute thanks Narendra On 8/29/07, Saraswati <dhyanasaraswati wrote: > > narendra > > r the moderators right > > *narendra sastry <narendra.sastry* wrote: > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Chetan Jayaram <chetan.jayaram > Aug 13, 2007 2:41 PM > Re: Appaya Dixit > narendra sastry <narendra.sastry > > hi > > i had seen this website before . " Nyaya Sudha " is the revered Grantha of > MAdhwas not Nyaya Muktavali.. Hence the authencity of the information in the > webisite fails there itself hahahaha > > Appayya dikshita was defeated by Sri Vijayeendra Swamy. ( Sri raghavendra > swami's gurus guru) in Khumbakonam. > Please visit the Appayya dikshita Mutt in Kumbhakonam and you can view it > for urself. If u still close u r eyes.. then check the Tanjore Raja's > library of artifacts where this debate was recorded. > > Secondly the MAdhwa grantha quoted in u r mail itself is Wrong. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 thanks Saraswathi ji well, the contents were all not mine, i know it is absurd to discuss these things, as i was totally under deep confusions for so long, so thought of sharing these things so that, if any one too would not have suffered after listening to these kind of allegations. hence forth, I will not going to post such absurdities in the group, my sincere apologies with group members and moderators I appreciate your concerns and thanks heaps for that. Narendra On 8/31/07, Saraswati <dhyanasaraswati wrote: > > nARENDRA : > > Yes! the post on appayya dixit that was quoted by me was from our > moderator Professorji and i am glad you have faith in our moderators > > however , i did not 'at all' appreciate the contents of your post > addressed to me on Our most revered Acharya Adi shankara bhagavadapada! > > Althiugh you were 'supposedly' quoting your dwaitin friends m, it was in > poor taste and showed a want oof feeling for the devotees of the Acharya > sampradaya. > > Your dwaitin friends can believe what they want - i am not going to join > hands with them and criticize great saints like Adi shankara bhagavadapada > or Even Sri Madhavacharya ! > > Read Shastriji's scholarly posts - even he holds Appayya dikshitir in high > regard . > > i have nothing more to say ... > > ps if you want to write down good thoughts on adi shankara's philosophy , > by all means share - please please do not quote your dwaitin friends' lowly > views on great advaitin acharyas in advaitin list ! > > thanks > > ps i do not wish to correspond with youon this topic of Appayya dixitar > anymore ! > > regards > > > *narendra sastry <narendra.sastry* wrote: > > namaste saraswathi ji > > very sorry for not replying in time as i was held up in some official > work... > > yes I do believe on our moderators, but my dwaithi friend does on what > information available on his trusted source, there is no standard for either > of us. > > even i was told the similar story about our guru Adi shankara, > for your information, the most of the dvaithis term Shankara as a demon > called manimantha, who got defeated by bheema in aranyaparva, so manimantha > after planning with shakuni, decides to take birth as shankara, again he is > defeated by bheemas incarnation who is madhvacharya (????), > > and also these dvaithis claim that, since Shankara is the demon, has not > have any ability to comment on brahmasuthras, it is shiva's avEsha, means > shiva entered shankaras body, wrote bhashyas and went off, since shiva is > below to prAna deva in taratamya, his bhashyas are inferior to madhvas > bhAshya, because he is the incarnation of mukhyaprana (???) > > they still also have some more vulgar stories framed between shankara and > ubhayabharathi (sharada maa) which have been written in a book called > manimanjari....which has been written by madhvacharayas desciple called > trivikrama bhattacharya (whom these dvaithis call as shivas incarnation) > > these are not the stories running behind the scenes, some couple of years > ago, this story was been preached to audience udupi, and traditional > dvaithis still believe this is the correct truth about the advaitha and Adi > Shankara...(????) > > importantly , these dvaithis claim, our own shankaracharyas have signed > that book as the truth about the life of shankara (???) > > i was really shocked to all these stories on our guru Shankara but sounded > total absurd to me, > > I know their story suffers from valid pramAnas, as i asked them, where is > the pramAna for their guru is the incarnation of mukhya prana, hanuma, > bheema (?), other than their guru claiming that he is, in his book vishnu > tAtparya nirNaya, they say , they have shruthi pramAna, in rig veda, > pavamAna suktha (??) > > i recalled their way of giving pramana, such as for tatvamasi, to meet > their philosophy they term as " atatvamasi, " and for nirguna, they say > defectless... etc etc... > > but these things, for sure would create utter confusions and disturbances > for any one who believe in our guru, not the fact that they dont respect the > guru, but the anumana, that kills the mind, for that only valid pramAnas > help > > even they claim, vidyaranya swamiji has been defeated by vyasaraja, and > jayatheertha muni (teekacharya), ?? and appayya dixit by vijayendra > swamiji...(?) > > but silence on these allegations on our gurus by these people, would > definitely don't prove, we are right, we might need to address these issues > with valid pramanAs, so that people like me would be in a position to answer > them to keep their arrogance down. > > i try to recall an incident, where one of the advaithi written a book > calle " dvaitha khandana " , and wanted to publish that, but jagadguru > chandrashekhara bharathi swamiji stopped him from doing that, but dont know > exactly what it is.. > > one thing i want to make sure here is, none of the advaithis hate, or > treat dvaithis as their enemies, but the sad thing is , these dvaithis, they > are not seeing in that way, just recall, most recently a vaishnava pundit > called acharya narendra bhushan, alleging maya vada is the chief reason for > countries destruction (??) > my question for such people is , mayavada never encouraged differences > among the different sections of the people, but their philosophies do, with > which only the hatredness among the communities is still burning, so the > reason > > and also now a days, these guys trying to call advaitha as mayavada, and > their philosophy as tatvavAda, (??) ....on the contrary even we can call > their philosophy as bhEdavAda and vichitrabhedavAda ...?? > > am really not too sure, how to fix these problems, any how , i know it > seeming like an unresolvable dispute > thanks > Narendra > > > > > > On 8/29/07, Saraswati <dhyanasaraswati wrote: > > > > narendra > > > > r the moderators right > > > > *narendra sastry <narendra.sastry* wrote: > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Chetan Jayaram < chetan.jayaram > > Aug 13, 2007 2:41 PM > > Re: Appaya Dixit > > narendra sastry < narendra.sastry > > > > hi > > > > i had seen this website before . " Nyaya Sudha " is the revered Grantha of > > MAdhwas not Nyaya Muktavali.. Hence the authencity of the information in the > > webisite fails there itself hahahaha > > > > Appayya dikshita was defeated by Sri Vijayeendra Swamy. ( Sri > > raghavendra swami's gurus guru) in Khumbakonam. > > Please visit the Appayya dikshita Mutt in Kumbhakonam and you can view > > it for urself. If u still close u r eyes.. then check the Tanjore Raja's > > library of artifacts where this debate was recorded. > > > > Secondly the MAdhwa grantha quoted in u r mail itself is Wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads<http://us.rd./evt=48249/*http://search./search?fr=oni_on\ _mail & p=graduation+gifts & cs=bz>at Search. > > -- cheers Narendra P. Sastry, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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