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Chetan Jayaram <chetan.jayaram

Aug 13, 2007 2:41 PM

Re: Appaya Dixit

narendra sastry <narendra.sastry

 

hi

 

i had seen this website before . " Nyaya Sudha " is the revered Grantha of

MAdhwas not Nyaya Muktavali.. Hence the authencity of the information in the

webisite fails there itself hahahaha :)

 

Appayya dikshita was defeated by Sri Vijayeendra Swamy. ( Sri raghavendra

swami's gurus guru) in Khumbakonam.

Please visit the Appayya dikshita Mutt in Kumbhakonam and you can view it

for urself. If u still close u r eyes.. then check the Tanjore Raja's

library of artifacts where this debate was recorded.

 

Secondly the MAdhwa grantha quoted in u r mail itself is Wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

" " Sri Vijayendra was dear to the masses as he was to the classes and the

intellectuals- a true Yogi " SaRva bhutahite ratah " and therefore reverenced

by all. KumbakoNam holds his name and his memory in the deepest love and

esteem to this day. Dr B NK Sharma narrates that he with his own eyes has

seen, the revered Sankaracharya of the Kamakoti pitam at Kumbakonam

dismounting from his palanquin and walking a small distance near the

entrance to the mutt of Vijayaendra and his brindavan there, whenever he had

 

occasion to pass through the mutt of Vijayendra, while proceeding to visit

his numerous disciples resident in the Solayappa street further west. It is

the life crowded with spectacular achievements of such an unforgettable

personality who lent light and glory to one of the most brilliant periods in

 

the history of south India in the golden age of Viajayanagar and

post-Vijayanagar periods of Indian History. " "

 

-http://www.dvaita.org/list/list_40/msg00037.html

 

 

Also refer:

 

1. http://www.dvaita.org/scholars/vijayindra/Vijayiindra_T_1.html

 

2. http://www.dvaita.org/list/list_52/msg00024.html

 

Regards

Chetan

 

 

 

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Dear Narendra :

 

Your Dwaita friend is mixing facts ! The story where Appayya

Dikshitar turned the Vishnu Muti into Siva murti was taken from the

Swami Sivananda web site ! Either he believes it or he does not !

that is upto your friend Chetan!

 

Narendra-ji , here i reproduce for the benefit of youy friend Chetan

professor V,K.ji's entire post where professorji has given a

detailed accounft of Appayya Dikistar ! this is where i got the

information from!

 

 

please read and forward it to your friend

 

I recently came across a 150-pagebook titled " Sri Appayya Dikshita "

by Dr N. Ramesan, published in 1972 by Srimad Appayya Dikshitendra

Granthavaliu Prakashana Samithi, Hyderabad. Here are some extracts

that I think may give the readers a glimpse of the personality of

Appayya Dikshitar:

 

From the sapta rishis downward, there have been great (i.e.,

spiritually great) householders in the Indian tradition. One such

was Shri Appayya Dikshidar (1520 – 1593 A.D.) As the true advaitin

that he was, he saw no differences in the different manifestations

of the Supreme Absolute. Stemming the tide of Vaishnavite attacks on

Saivism during the one century prior to his times, one of his

missions in life turned out to be a reconciliation of creeds, cults

and philosophy. He did not think that rival interpretations of the

vedas and puranas were entirely in the wrong. He says: ` na sUtrANAm

arthAntaram-api bhavad-varyam-ucitaM' (Who can prevent different

interpretations when the sUtras themselves are capable of different

meanings?). Such was his tolerance in religious beliefs and his

ardent desire for the reconciliation of philosophic thoughts. He

wrote the `Chatur-mata-sara' to illustrate the philosophical

thoughts of the four prominent schools of interpretation of

Brahmasutras. The `Naya-manjari' deals with advaita, the `Naya-mani-

mala' with Srikanta mata, the `Naya-mayukha-malika' with Ramanuja's

philosophy and the `Naya-muktavali' with Madhva's philosophy. His

remarkable catholicity of outlook, his thoroughness in writing, his

impartiality, his unerring sense of values and his passionate search

for truth are all so evident in these writings that *the Vaishnavas

have adopted the `Naya-Mayukha-Malika' as their manual for their

careful and reverent study and the Madhvas the `Naya-Muktavali'.*

 

 

(snip snip snip )

 

Dikshidar graphically describes dvaita as the lowest step,

vishishtadvaita as the middle step and sivadvaita and advaita which

are very close to each other as the highest steps.

 

*********************************************************************

*********************************************************************

 

now , narendra IF you read Professorji's post and he clearly

says " the Vaishnavas have adopted the `Naya-Mayukha-Malika' as their

manual for their careful and reverent study and the Madhvas the

`Naya-Muktavali'.* and your friend Chetan says madhavas

adopted " Nyaya Sudha " is the revered Grantha not Nyaya Muktavali..

Well, between your friend and professorji , i am inclined to believe

our beloved professorji more for he is very knowledgeble and above

all he is not biased! in any case what difference the name of the

Grantha matters ? the fact that madhawas have afopted 'some' grantha

of the great Shiva Bhakta Appayya Dikshitir proves beyond a

reasonable doubt what a great Saint Appayya dikishitar was who could

address different audiences!

 

 

Tell your friend that it is possible for great Saints in the olden

days to perform miracles ( because of Siddhis) ! For example , let

me recapitulate a story from Shankara digvijayam!

 

" During the rainy season, the river Narmada was in spate. The flood

waters rose and were about to enter the cave in which Adi Shankara's

Guru was sitting, deeply immersed in samadhi. His disciples did not

dare to disturb him, though his life was in danger. Then

Shankaracharya placed his kamandalu (water pot) at the entrance of

the cave saying that it would absorb all the waters of the flood.

His words came true. The flood waters could not disturb his Guru's

meditation. Guru Govindapada blessed him saying " Just as you

contained the flood waters in your kamandalu, you should write

commentaries containing the essence of the Vedantic scriptures. By

this work you will gain eternal glory. "

 

so , Narendra do we remember Adi Shankara Bhagvadapada for such

Miracles or do we Honor Adi Shankara Bhagvadapada for all the great

works and commentaries he wrote on the Srimad Bhagwad Gita ,

upanishads, brahma sutra bhasya ... and other granthas and Slokas ?

 

Narendra , btw ,the fact that Appayya dikshitar was a great Saint

and Scholar in no way diminishes the significance of Sri Vijayendra

swamy ! let me ask you this - Appayya Dikshitir had no problem

accepting the greatness of vaishnavite scholar Vedanta Desikar so

much so that Appayya Dikshitir conferred on Sri Vedanta Desikar the

title of 'Kavi Tarkika Simham' (Lion- king among poets and

logicians)! So why do your vaishnava friends have problem accepting

the greatness of shaiva saints? There is no place for 'bigotry' in

spirituality!

 

LOVE AND REGARDS

 

-- In advaitin , " narendra sastry "

<narendra.sastry wrote:

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> Chetan Jayaram <chetan.jayaram

> Aug 13, 2007 2:41 PM

> Re: Appaya Dixit

> narendra sastry <narendra.sastry

>

> hi

>

> i had seen this website before . " Nyaya Sudha " is the revered

Grantha of

> MAdhwas not Nyaya Muktavali.. Hence the authencity of the

information in the

> webisite fails there itself hahahaha :)

>

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namaste saraswathi ji

 

very sorry for not replying in time as i was held up in some official

work...

 

yes I do believe on our moderators, but my dwaithi friend does on what

information available on his trusted source, there is no standard for either

of us.

 

even i was told the similar story about our guru Adi shankara,

for your information, the most of the dvaithis term Shankara as a demon

called manimantha, who got defeated by bheema in aranyaparva, so manimantha

after planning with shakuni, decides to take birth as shankara, again he is

defeated by bheemas incarnation who is madhvacharya (????),

 

and also these dvaithis claim that, since Shankara is the demon, has not

have any ability to comment on brahmasuthras, it is shiva's avEsha, means

shiva entered shankaras body, wrote bhashyas and went off, since shiva is

below to prAna deva in taratamya, his bhashyas are inferior to madhvas

bhAshya, because he is the incarnation of mukhyaprana (???)

 

they still also have some more vulgar stories framed between shankara and

ubhayabharathi (sharada maa) which have been written in a book called

manimanjari....which has been written by madhvacharayas desciple called

trivikrama bhattacharya (whom these dvaithis call as shivas incarnation)

 

these are not the stories running behind the scenes, some couple of years

ago, this story was been preached to audience udupi, and traditional

dvaithis still believe this is the correct truth about the advaitha and Adi

Shankara...(????)

 

importantly , these dvaithis claim, our own shankaracharyas have signed that

book as the truth about the life of shankara (???)

 

i was really shocked to all these stories on our guru Shankara but sounded

total absurd to me,

 

I know their story suffers from valid pramAnas, as i asked them, where is

the pramAna for their guru is the incarnation of mukhya prana, hanuma,

bheema (?), other than their guru claiming that he is, in his book vishnu

tAtparya nirNaya, they say , they have shruthi pramAna, in rig veda,

pavamAna suktha (??)

 

i recalled their way of giving pramana, such as for tatvamasi, to meet their

philosophy they term as " atatvamasi, " and for nirguna, they say

defectless... etc etc...

 

but these things, for sure would create utter confusions and disturbances

for any one who believe in our guru, not the fact that they dont respect the

guru, but the anumana, that kills the mind, for that only valid pramAnas

help

 

even they claim, vidyaranya swamiji has been defeated by vyasaraja, and

jayatheertha muni (teekacharya), ?? and appayya dixit by vijayendra

swamiji...(?)

 

but silence on these allegations on our gurus by these people, would

definitely don't prove, we are right, we might need to address these issues

with valid pramanAs, so that people like me would be in a position to answer

them to keep their arrogance down.

 

i try to recall an incident, where one of the advaithi written a book calle

" dvaitha khandana " , and wanted to publish that, but jagadguru

chandrashekhara bharathi swamiji stopped him from doing that, but dont know

exactly what it is..

 

one thing i want to make sure here is, none of the advaithis hate, or treat

dvaithis as their enemies, but the sad thing is , these dvaithis, they are

not seeing in that way, just recall, most recently a vaishnava pundit called

acharya narendra bhushan, alleging maya vada is the chief reason for

countries destruction (??)

my question for such people is , mayavada never encouraged differences among

the different sections of the people, but their philosophies do, with which

only the hatredness among the communities is still burning, so the reason

 

and also now a days, these guys trying to call advaitha as mayavada, and

their philosophy as tatvavAda, (??) ....on the contrary even we can call

their philosophy as bhEdavAda and vichitrabhedavAda ...??

 

am really not too sure, how to fix these problems, any how , i know it

seeming like an unresolvable dispute

thanks

Narendra

 

 

 

 

 

On 8/29/07, Saraswati <dhyanasaraswati wrote:

>

> narendra

>

> r the moderators right

>

> *narendra sastry <narendra.sastry* wrote:

>

>

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> Chetan Jayaram <chetan.jayaram

> Aug 13, 2007 2:41 PM

> Re: Appaya Dixit

> narendra sastry <narendra.sastry

>

> hi

>

> i had seen this website before . " Nyaya Sudha " is the revered Grantha of

> MAdhwas not Nyaya Muktavali.. Hence the authencity of the information in the

> webisite fails there itself hahahaha :)

>

> Appayya dikshita was defeated by Sri Vijayeendra Swamy. ( Sri raghavendra

> swami's gurus guru) in Khumbakonam.

> Please visit the Appayya dikshita Mutt in Kumbhakonam and you can view it

> for urself. If u still close u r eyes.. then check the Tanjore Raja's

> library of artifacts where this debate was recorded.

>

> Secondly the MAdhwa grantha quoted in u r mail itself is Wrong.

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

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thanks Saraswathi ji

 

well, the contents were all not mine, i know it is absurd to discuss these

things, as i was totally under deep confusions for so long, so thought of

sharing these things so that, if any one too would not have suffered after

listening to these kind of allegations.

hence forth, I will not going to post such absurdities in the group, my

sincere apologies with group members and moderators

I appreciate your concerns and thanks heaps for that.

Narendra

 

On 8/31/07, Saraswati <dhyanasaraswati wrote:

>

> nARENDRA :

>

> Yes! the post on appayya dixit that was quoted by me was from our

> moderator Professorji and i am glad you have faith in our moderators

>

> however , i did not 'at all' appreciate the contents of your post

> addressed to me on Our most revered Acharya Adi shankara bhagavadapada!

>

> Althiugh you were 'supposedly' quoting your dwaitin friends m, it was in

> poor taste and showed a want oof feeling for the devotees of the Acharya

> sampradaya.

>

> Your dwaitin friends can believe what they want - i am not going to join

> hands with them and criticize great saints like Adi shankara bhagavadapada

> or Even Sri Madhavacharya !

>

> Read Shastriji's scholarly posts - even he holds Appayya dikshitir in high

> regard .

>

> i have nothing more to say ...

>

> ps if you want to write down good thoughts on adi shankara's philosophy ,

> by all means share - please please do not quote your dwaitin friends' lowly

> views on great advaitin acharyas in advaitin list !

>

> thanks

>

> ps i do not wish to correspond with youon this topic of Appayya dixitar

> anymore !

>

> regards

>

>

> *narendra sastry <narendra.sastry* wrote:

>

> namaste saraswathi ji

>

> very sorry for not replying in time as i was held up in some official

> work...

>

> yes I do believe on our moderators, but my dwaithi friend does on what

> information available on his trusted source, there is no standard for either

> of us.

>

> even i was told the similar story about our guru Adi shankara,

> for your information, the most of the dvaithis term Shankara as a demon

> called manimantha, who got defeated by bheema in aranyaparva, so manimantha

> after planning with shakuni, decides to take birth as shankara, again he is

> defeated by bheemas incarnation who is madhvacharya (????),

>

> and also these dvaithis claim that, since Shankara is the demon, has not

> have any ability to comment on brahmasuthras, it is shiva's avEsha, means

> shiva entered shankaras body, wrote bhashyas and went off, since shiva is

> below to prAna deva in taratamya, his bhashyas are inferior to madhvas

> bhAshya, because he is the incarnation of mukhyaprana (???)

>

> they still also have some more vulgar stories framed between shankara and

> ubhayabharathi (sharada maa) which have been written in a book called

> manimanjari....which has been written by madhvacharayas desciple called

> trivikrama bhattacharya (whom these dvaithis call as shivas incarnation)

>

> these are not the stories running behind the scenes, some couple of years

> ago, this story was been preached to audience udupi, and traditional

> dvaithis still believe this is the correct truth about the advaitha and Adi

> Shankara...(????)

>

> importantly , these dvaithis claim, our own shankaracharyas have signed

> that book as the truth about the life of shankara (???)

>

> i was really shocked to all these stories on our guru Shankara but sounded

> total absurd to me,

>

> I know their story suffers from valid pramAnas, as i asked them, where is

> the pramAna for their guru is the incarnation of mukhya prana, hanuma,

> bheema (?), other than their guru claiming that he is, in his book vishnu

> tAtparya nirNaya, they say , they have shruthi pramAna, in rig veda,

> pavamAna suktha (??)

>

> i recalled their way of giving pramana, such as for tatvamasi, to meet

> their philosophy they term as " atatvamasi, " and for nirguna, they say

> defectless... etc etc...

>

> but these things, for sure would create utter confusions and disturbances

> for any one who believe in our guru, not the fact that they dont respect the

> guru, but the anumana, that kills the mind, for that only valid pramAnas

> help

>

> even they claim, vidyaranya swamiji has been defeated by vyasaraja, and

> jayatheertha muni (teekacharya), ?? and appayya dixit by vijayendra

> swamiji...(?)

>

> but silence on these allegations on our gurus by these people, would

> definitely don't prove, we are right, we might need to address these issues

> with valid pramanAs, so that people like me would be in a position to answer

> them to keep their arrogance down.

>

> i try to recall an incident, where one of the advaithi written a book

> calle " dvaitha khandana " , and wanted to publish that, but jagadguru

> chandrashekhara bharathi swamiji stopped him from doing that, but dont know

> exactly what it is..

>

> one thing i want to make sure here is, none of the advaithis hate, or

> treat dvaithis as their enemies, but the sad thing is , these dvaithis, they

> are not seeing in that way, just recall, most recently a vaishnava pundit

> called acharya narendra bhushan, alleging maya vada is the chief reason for

> countries destruction (??)

> my question for such people is , mayavada never encouraged differences

> among the different sections of the people, but their philosophies do, with

> which only the hatredness among the communities is still burning, so the

> reason

>

> and also now a days, these guys trying to call advaitha as mayavada, and

> their philosophy as tatvavAda, (??) ....on the contrary even we can call

> their philosophy as bhEdavAda and vichitrabhedavAda ...??

>

> am really not too sure, how to fix these problems, any how , i know it

> seeming like an unresolvable dispute

> thanks

> Narendra

>

>

>

>

>

> On 8/29/07, Saraswati <dhyanasaraswati wrote:

> >

> > narendra

> >

> > r the moderators right

> >

> > *narendra sastry <narendra.sastry* wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> > Chetan Jayaram < chetan.jayaram

> > Aug 13, 2007 2:41 PM

> > Re: Appaya Dixit

> > narendra sastry < narendra.sastry

> >

> > hi

> >

> > i had seen this website before . " Nyaya Sudha " is the revered Grantha of

> > MAdhwas not Nyaya Muktavali.. Hence the authencity of the information in the

> > webisite fails there itself hahahaha :)

> >

> > Appayya dikshita was defeated by Sri Vijayeendra Swamy. ( Sri

> > raghavendra swami's gurus guru) in Khumbakonam.

> > Please visit the Appayya dikshita Mutt in Kumbhakonam and you can view

> > it for urself. If u still close u r eyes.. then check the Tanjore Raja's

> > library of artifacts where this debate was recorded.

> >

> > Secondly the MAdhwa grantha quoted in u r mail itself is Wrong.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Narendra P. Sastry,

 

 

 

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