Prana and Atman

[Guest guest]

Perhaps Prana is a link between:

 

" Physical and Subtle body " .

 

Life will cease to exist without Prana.

 

Indeed, Brahman is the basis for everything, including various states of Prana

(Prana, Apana, Samana, Vyana, Udhayana,etc.).

 

Pranam!

 

Virendra

 

bhatnagar_shailendra <bhatnagar_shailendra wrote:

Namaste,

Pardon my ignorance of Taittriya. I was reading a Hindi book on

Pranayama and it says that Prana is a product of Prakruti. In Purusha

suktam Prana emanates from Purusha. Pranayama definitely impacts the

subtle body and Swami Krishnananda says Prana is a manifestation of

Atman. Is my body alive and functioning (including the 5 senses and

mind) because of Prana or Atman ? Isn't it stated in Kena that 5

senses and mind function due to Brahman ? Then what is this Prana ?

How is life force different from Atman ?

 

Why is absolute reality called avyaktam ? Isn't Prana a manifestation

of absolute reality ?

 

thanks,

Shailendra

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Shree Sailentraji - PraNAms

 

Here is my understanding. In principle, any vyaktam or

manifestation is creation and therefore mithyaa. The

real is unchanging and eternal and is called sat -chit

swaruupam. PraaNa comes as part of creation - from

annat purushaH - from annam the body is borne. And

PraaNa that includes all physiological functions are

part of the gross and subtle bodies. In the

Chandogya Udaalaka teaches his son and ask him to

starve for 15days - to show that both body and mind

are products of matter - annam. But he asks him to

drink water so that his praaNa does not leave him by

dehydration. The boy could not remember all the Vedas

he studied after starving for 15days. After breaking

the fast and regaining the physical and mental

strength slowly during the next 15 days, the memory

also comes to him. He says praaNa is product of aapaH

- water - here praaNa includes panca praaNaas -

praaNa, apaana, vyaana, udaana and samaana. Matter is

product of prakRiti - Hence Tai. Up statement. Body

and the praaNaas both are functioning due to the

presence of Life which manifests due to Aatma. In Kena

it says aatma is life of the life - that which makes

life to express through pancha praaNaas. Life force is

the expression of Aatma when the body is suitable to

express. When the life leaves the body, the body is

expressed only as existence, since the upaadhi left is

not suitable to express that life force since subtle

body left that gross body. Aatma enlivens both the

subtle and gross bodies - gross body as just existent

matter (jadam) and subtle body as jiiva that is now

moving to subtler fields of experiences after the

death.

 

Absolute reality is avyktam since it is not vyaktam

and any vyaktam is manifested - hence created- hence

mithyaa.

 

Hope this is clear.

 

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

--- bhatnagar_shailendra

<bhatnagar_shailendra wrote:

 

> Namaste,

> Pardon my ignorance of Taittriya. I was reading a

> Hindi book on

> Pranayama and it says that Prana is a product of

> Prakruti. In Purusha

> suktam Prana emanates from Purusha. Pranayama

> definitely impacts the

> subtle body and Swami Krishnananda says Prana is a

> manifestation of

> Atman. Is my body alive and functioning (including

> the 5 senses and

> mind) because of Prana or Atman ? Isn't it stated in

> Kena that 5

> senses and mind function due to Brahman ? Then what

> is this Prana ?

> How is life force different from Atman ?

>

> Why is absolute reality called avyaktam ? Isn't

> Prana a manifestation

> of absolute reality ?

>

> thanks,

> Shailendra

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Namaskarams Sri Shailendraji,

 

Please also refer to the Aitereya Up. Bhashya Introduction. Shankara mentions

about how some think prana is the basic thing and to realize that is the goal,

then refutes that it is said that in the beginning all was [is] the absolute

Self [Atman].

 

I may blabber below since I am no expert on prana; but as it is a forum, here

are some thoughts for perspective. Sadaji's thoughts supercede.

 

My thinking: from the relative context of creation, prana may be corresponded

as cause or underlying substance, in the similar sense of how science might

reduce matter to energy/forces. Brahman cannot be said to be cause of

manifestation; Brahman is the substratum-Reality of what is identified in causal

terms (mithya). And in the individual context, Brahman is identified as Atman.

When you talk causally, you may say Prana is cause, but Shankara dissuades

running after this perspective since it is grounded to materialism. The

Self/Atman is the only Reality, and That Thou Art; so it is advisable to relate

(causally) the sources of the material universe back to the Atman.

 

thollmelukaalkizhu

 

bhatnagar_shailendra <bhatnagar_shailendra wrote:

Namaste,

Pardon my ignorance of Taittriya. I was reading a Hindi book on

Pranayama and it says that Prana is a product of Prakruti. In Purusha

suktam Prana emanates from Purusha. Pranayama definitely impacts the

subtle body and Swami Krishnananda says Prana is a manifestation of

Atman. Is my body alive and functioning (including the 5 senses and

mind) because of Prana or Atman ? Isn't it stated in Kena that 5

senses and mind function due to Brahman ? Then what is this Prana ?

How is life force different from Atman ?

 

Why is absolute reality called avyaktam ? Isn't Prana a manifestation

of absolute reality ?

 

thanks,

Shailendra

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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