Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Gita Satsangh Chapter 11 Verses 7 to 8 (Verse Translation by Swami Gambirananda, Gita Bhasya and commentary by Swami Chinmayanandaji) Ihaikastham jagatkritsnam pashyaadya sacharaacharam; Mama dehe gudaakesha yachchaanyad drashtumicchasi. Verse 7 7. See now, O gudakesa, O Gudakesa (Arjuna), the entire Universe together with the moving and the non-moving, concentrated at the same place here in My body, as also whatever else you would like to see. Pasya, see adya, now O Gudakesa, the krtsnam, entire jagat, Universe sa-cara-acaram, existing together with the moving and the non-moving ekastham, concentrated at the same place iha, here mama dehe, in My body ca, as also yat anyat, whatever else-even those victory, defeat, etc. with regard to which you expressed doubt in, 'whether we shall win, or whether they shall conquer us' (2.6) if icchasi, you would like drastum, to see them. The enthusiastic seeker's adventurous mind having been sufficiently educated so far to develop an unending wealth of 'eagerness to know,' Krishna further educates, sharpening in the student, the 'anxiety to know' in this mind, with sufficient details on what he may expect in the Divine Vision that is to follow. This secret technique then makes the student ardently converge all this attention towards one given Form Divine. This is achieved by his verse. If we follow the technique, developed through the expressed words, we shall find that Vyasa has here explained the entire Science of Love as adumbrated in the Cult of Bhakti, or 'Devotion to the Supreme.' The entire Universe, constituted both of the moving and the unmoving - -- of the sentient and the insentient --- is being shown by Krishna on his own physical structure as described by the effective intimate term, " Here, concentrated " (Iha-ekastham). And this term has been annotated in the same stanza as " In this, My Body " (mama dehe). The entire Universe of gross forms, both movable and immovable, is to be compressed within the framework of Krishna's girth and height. As we explained earlier* the concept of space has not been completely sponged out of Arjuna's mind but a total space-concept equivalent to Krishna's own mortal dimensions is left in him. With this mind, when Arjuna looks out, he must necessarily see framed in Krishna all at once, the entire Universe compressed and miniatured with all its multiple details intact. Even though " the entire Universe, including both the moving and the unmoving " is a term sufficiently elastic so as not to leave anything outside its implications, Krishna again sharpens the enthusiasm of Arjuna by stating that the Pandava could see anything " ELSE THAT YOU DESIRE TO SEE. " As a typical mortal, Arjuna is preoccupied with the particular problem of life and his anxiety naturally grows to peep into the future and discover its solution rather than to realize the underlying oneness that embraces even the forms in the outer world-of- matter. " THE ONE IN THE MANY " HAS BEEN DESCRIBED IN THE LAST CHAPTER, AND HERE WE ARE ABOUT TO SEE " THE MANY IN THE ONE. " Na tu maam shakyase drashtum anenaiva swachakshushaa; Divyam dadaami te chakshuh pashya me yogamaishwaram. Verse 8 8. But you are not able to see Me merely with this eye of yours. I grant you the supernatural eye bhold My divine Yoga. No fleshy eye can behold Me in My Cosmic Form. One can see Me only through the eye of intuition or the divine eye. It should not be confused with seeing through the physical eye or through the mind. It is an inner divine experience attained through intense devotion and concentration. Tu, but na sakyase, you are not able drastum, to see mam, Me, who have assumed the Cosmic form eva, merely anena, with this natural sva-caksusa, eye of yours. However, dadami, I grant te, you the divyam, supernatural caksuh, eye, by which supernatural eye you shall be able to see Pasya, behold with that me, My, God's aisvaram, divine yogam, Yoga, i.e. the superabundance of the power of Yoga [The power of accomplishing the impossible.-M.S.]. We have already explained how it is relatively easy to see the essential stuff as the core of individual names and forms, but the reverse of it --- to discover the many in the one --- is the work of a subtle intellect functioning through right philosophical understanding. TO READ a poem, only knowledge of the alphabet is necessary; but to understand its subtler beauties and to classify it in a comparative study with other similar poems, it needs a masterly mind that has been well soaked with the master-pieces in poetry. Similarly, to see " THE ONE IN THE MANY " is the work of a 'heart' soaked with faith; but to PERCEIVE " THE MANY IN THE ONE, " we need, besides the 'heart,' an educated 'intellect' that has learnt to see for itself the logic of the philosophers. This peculiar capacity of an educated intellect to see the extraordinary is the vision of the intellect which is gained when we develop the faculty to perceive and to know. This obvious fact is explained by the Lord in this stanza, " YOU CANNOT SEE ME WITH THESE EYES OF YOURS; I GIVE THEE THE VISION DIVINE. " There are very many critics who try to explain this " Divine- eye " through fantastic suppositions and ridiculous theories. Such commentators are certainly men, not much educated in the style of the Hindu scriptures, the Upanishads. Expressly and tacitly, all through the Upanishads, it is repeatedly explained that the subtler cannot be brought within the scope and compass of the instruments-of-perception given to man. The external sense organs can play freely only in the outer world-of-objects. Even when we ordinarily " see an idea " it is not done with our outer pair of eyes. The intellectual comprehension is meant here by the term " seeing " and the capacity of the intellect to comprehend is the 'Divine-eye.' This " special-vision " is given to the Pandava Prince so that he may see " MY SUPREME YOGA-POWER " by which the whole Universe of multiplicity is being supported by the Lord's own form. Earlier, this particular Yoga-Power of the Lord has been already described at two different places, (VII-12 and IX-4) almost in identical terms. THE SCENE SHIFTS TO HASTINAPURA, IN THE PALACE OF DHRITARASHTRA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Swami Dayananda's commentary for verses 7 and 8: Addressing him as Gudakesa, Bhagavan draws Arjuna's attention. Gudakesa, we have seen, is the one who has mastered his sense organs. " Here, residing in one place, my body, please see the entire world, right now. " The world is divided into two parts, moving and non-moving. " In one place, my body, please see all this Arjuna. And not only that, anything else you want to see, " yacca anyad drastum icchasi. What else can there be? Everything is in this form. The only thing remaining, Sankara says, is the question of who is going to win this battle. Arjuna wondered whether his side would win or not. " Now you can resolve that and all other doubts, " Bhagavan is telling him. " You will see the future including the outcome of this war. It is all settled. Duryodhana by his deeds has already brought about the destruction of his clan. You need not do anything more than play your part. It is like a fruit that has already ripened. You simply have to touch it and it will fall. You need not even pluck it. It looks as if you brought it clown, but it was so ripe that it was ready to fall. Similarly Duryodhana is ripe for destruction. All you have to do is release a few arrows. Nothing else is needed. By his own karma he has already brought about the phala. That is why the war is being waged. He has sought this destruction, worked hard for it and therefore is getting it. Who are you in all this? You are only an instrument, nimitta, in the whole process. " This Bhagavan is going to tell later. " Therefore, if you wish to see anything more, yaccanyad drastum icchasi, such as the outcome of this war, you will see it all here in my deha, my form. " " Even though it is possible to see all this, the problem here is your eyes are not adequate to see me in this cosmic form. " The natural human eyes with which we can see a few things are not capable of seeing something of this dimension. For that you require a special eye. You can call it the eye of wisdom or an extraordinary eye created by Lord Krishna through his power of maya. Either way, Bhagavan gave Arjuna the capacity to see his cosmic form. He says, " I give you eyes that are divyam. " Therefore, please see my wondrous power, paiya, me yogamaisvaram. Yogam here is the power of maya, a power that is beyond compare. It holds the capacity for ail knowledge, jnanasakti, all activity, kriyasakti, and all desire, iccasakts. Please see my wondorous power of maya in this form. Bhagavan has given Arjuna the capacity to confront his power. Now the scene shifts and we are reminded that Sanjaya is relating this dialogue to Dhrtarastra. The whole dialogue between Krishna and Arjuna is a quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Namaste: Imagine ourselves on a spacecraft and see the universe from the sky. Even with all trainings and modern scientific devices for our protection, we will be very uncomfortable to stay there for a long time. Science has provided us the clues - that if we undertake any extraordinary adventures such as flying on a spacecraft, we need to prepare our body and mind. Visvarupadarshanam (Panoramic Vision of the Universe with all beings in the past, present and future) is trillion times more adventurous than just seeing the universe from the spacecraft. The verses in chapter 11 of Bhagavad Gita force our mind to imagine and capture a glimpse of Visvarupadarshnam by just using words! Here are some additional notes for our contemplation. Verse 7 By addressing Arjuna as `Gudakesa the Lord invites him to observe the Cosmic Body with due care and attention, so as to leave no room for any doubt or misconception with regard to the same. The indeclinable 'Adya' in this verse has been used in the sense of `now'. The Lord thereby indicates that He was very prompt in revealing the form which Arjuna desired to see; in fact, He revealed it the moment Arjuna expressed the desire to see it. The word `Cara' stands for all creatures possessing motion, e.g., beasts, birds, insects, moths, gods and human beings etc; while `Acara' denotes things devoid of motion, e.g., hills trees etc. The word `Jagat', qualified by the adjectives `Krisnam' and ` `Sacaracaram', therefore signifies the entire universe consisting of all such creatures, together with their bodies and senses, places of enjoyment and objects of enjoyment. By inviting Arjuna to behold the entire creation in a part of His body seated before him in his chariot the Lord gave an ocular demonstration before Arjuna of the statement contained in the concluding verse of Chapter X, viz., that He held the entire universe in a fraction of His Being. By asking Arjuna to behold whatever else he desired to see, the lord intends to convey that, besides the universe as it existed then, Arjuna could directly perceive at that moment in a part of His Body any spectacle expressive of the Lord's virtues and glory etc, scenes of his own victory and the enemy's defeat, or any other incident relating to the past, present or future, that he should like to witness. Verse 8 Sri Krishna was glad that Arjuna sought to obtain a vision of His divine form endowed with His wonderful power of Yoga; and the Lord for His own part was prepared to reveal that form to him. But at the same time He was afraid that His transcendent form could not be seen with the ordinary human eyes, and that Arjuna lacked the faculty which was needed for obtaining a vision of that form. This is what is meant by the first half of this verse. By His own power of Yoga the Lord bestowed on Arjuna a kind of Yogic faculty to enable him to obtain a vision of the Cosmic Body. This faculty endowed him with supernatural power and qualified him for a vision of that divine form. It is this Yogic faculty which is referred to here by the words `Divyam Caksuh.' A similar type of divine vision was facilitated to Sanjaya by the divine Vedavyasa at the time of commencement of the Mahabharata war. A close study of this episode does not warrant the conclusion that the vision of the Cosmic Body by Arjuna consisted only in realizing through spiritual wisdom that the entire objective world is a manifestation of God, or that the `divine eye' said to have been conferred on him was no other than this realization. The exhortation to visualize the whole universe in a part of His being through spiritual enlightenment had already been given by the Lord to Arjuna at the end of Chapter X, and the same had also been accepted by Arjuna. The fact that Arjuna longs to perceive with his own eyes the divine form of Sri Krishna endowed with strength, energy, valor and effulgence even after this acceptance, and that the Lord Himself is inviting Arjuna to behold the entire universe as concentrated in the very form present before his eyes, precludes the assumption that the vision was nothing but a form of spiritual realization. This drives us to the conclusion that the cosmos in which Arjuna found to be present was different from the cosmos as seen by him in the body of the Lord. Had it been otherwise, it would not have been possible to see the entire space between heaven and earth and all the quarters covered by the Cosmic Body. At the sight of that dreadful form of the Lord Arjuna was already seized with wonder, bewilderment, fear and confusion. This also goes to disprove the theory that the Lord had simply awakened Arjuna through spiritual enlightenment to a sense of His identity with the objective universe. Had it been so, Arjuna would have no cause for fear, agony, and bewilderment confusion and so on. In modern days we have been provided with Imax theaters equipped with Mega Sound and Screen to witness big shows. We have also seen some modern gadgets such as mini-radios, cell phones, hand held computers where we can see and heard distance scenes. There are some who don't want to touch such modern instruments and they don't believe that they are real. Arjuna was likewise equipped by the Lord with an instrument the powerful Cosmoscope (just like a telescope or modified kaleidoscope) that enabled him to obtain an unobstructed view of the whole universe from-where he stood. The kaleidoscope is a tube of mirrors containing loose colored beads or pebbles, or other small colored objects. The viewer looks in one end and light enters the other end, reflecting off the mirrors. The referenced Power of Yoga could be considered equivalent to superlative instrument beyond everything that has been achieved by modern science. For instruments like the Radio enable one to hear only such distant sounds and witness only such distant scenes as are being generated or occurring at that very moment in a particular part of the universe. Things occurring in the various parts of the universe cannot be seen or heard with the help of a single instrument all at once at one and the same place. Nor can such an instrument enable one to read the thoughts of another, or foresee future events. In conclusion, there is nothing in this context to indicate that Arjuna beheld the Cosmic Body of the Lord with the aid of a scientific instrument. However, on the basis of scientific inventions like the ones mentioned above, the skeptical minds of the present generation can be persuaded to agree that it should be possible for the Lord to facilitate Arjuna to witness the Cosmic Body through Yogic power bestowed by Him. The form which Arjuna saw was an undisguised reality, and the sole means of perceiving it was the divine eye in the form of Yogic power obtained through the grace of God. The form which Arjuna saw was divine in essence.. The word 'YogamAishwaram,' represents the Cosmic Body of the Lord displayed through His wonderful power of Yoga. If we contemplate with fully focusing on these two verses, we can recognize that everything that we witness is nothing but His Cosmic Body and power of Yoga! We are currently in the middle of an on-going discussion on three states – even they too belong to His Cosmic Body revealed by His Power of Yoga. Our notions of three states along with created theories to distinguish between those states also belong to YogamAishwaram. Arjuna's state of mind at the time of Vishwarupadarshnam was not able to comprehend the Totality at an intellectual level. Arjuna's fear was caused by the shadow of some doubts pervading over his impure mind. Only after eradicating all mind purities, the Atman will Self-Reveal and illuminate the mind with Pure Wisdom! Harih Om! Ram Chandran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Namaste: It seems that due to the presence of impurities in my end, I have made a typo in my last statement and it should have been - " Only after eradicating all mind impurities, the atman will Self-Reveal. " With my warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin , " Ram Chandran " <ramvchandran wrote: > Our notions of three states along with > created theories to distinguish between those states also belong to > YogamAishwaram. Arjuna's state of mind at the time of > Vishwarupadarshnam was not able to comprehend the Totality at an > intellectual level. Arjuna's fear was caused by the shadow of some > doubts pervading over his impure mind. Only after eradicating all > mind purities, the Atman will Self-Reveal and illuminate the mind > with Pure Wisdom! > > Harih Om! > > Ram Chandran > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy Pranams to all. advaitin , " Ram Chandran " <ramvchandran wrote: > > Namaste: > > It seems that due to the presence of impurities in my end, I have made > a typo in my last statement and it should have been - " Only after > eradicating all mind impurities, the atman will Self-Reveal. " > > With my warmest regards, > > Ram Chandran Dear Sri Ramachandran, Who lights up the impurities of the mind ? Even when the impurities of the mind are there , is not the Self SELF-Luminous and Self-revealing? What is the significance of the Upanishadic statement " yasya BAsA sarvamidaM viBAti || " ? After reading your above stated statement these questions arose in my mind . Your clarification in this matter will be of great help to me. With warm and respectful regards, Sreenivasa Murthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Namaste Sri Narayana Sreenivasa Namo Narayana: Thanks bringing to the attention of the list, the famous quotation from the Upanishads: 'Tasya Bhasa Sarvamidam Vibhati' (In His light all else shines). Take a moment to ask within YOU - Where did your question originate. If we trust the revealations as stated by the sages of the Upanishad, the answer to your question should also Self- revealing! There is a saying in Tamil - " Avanindril Oru Anuvum Asiyathu " (Without Him, even an iota of an atom can move). Lord Krishna also provides the answers through verses in chapter 7 and 9. For example in verse 4 of chapter 9, He says: Mayaa tatamidam sarvam jagadavyaktamoortinaa; Matsthaani sarvabhootaani na chaaham teshvavasthitah. All this world is pervaded by Me in My unmanifest aspect; all beings exist in Me, but I do not dwell in them. This message is profound – the mind impurities are because of Him but He doesn't dwell in them! The question arises in our mind- why do I have difficulties in understanding and why do the cycles of " doubts followed by clarifications followed by doubts " happen? Only the Brahman without an iota of mind impurities will know the answer and He is also free from the cycle. Our religious philosophy is built on the CYCLE which has no beginning or end! What we have is the cycle – and let us not try to find the beginning point of the cycle – that is just a waste of time. The sages of the Upanishads want us to use our time to clean our mind from the impurities so that the impurities along with the mind to vanish in the thin air. When that happens, the Atman will Self-Illumine! Sometime back, Sadaji made a profound statement that is quite relevant here – " Even to recognize the darkness, we need His Light!! With my warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin , " narayana145 " <narayana145 wrote: > > Dear Sri Ramachandran, > Who lights up the impurities of the mind ? Even when the > impurities of the mind are there , is not the Self SELF-Luminous and > Self-revealing? What is the significance of the Upanishadic statement > " yasya BAsA sarvamidaM viBAti || " ? After reading your above stated > statement these questions arose in my mind . Your clarification in > this matter will be of great help to me. > > With warm and respectful regards, > Sreenivasa Murthy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Namaste: Let me add the following for the interest of those who want to know more on the referenced Upanishadic statement. The statement, na tatra sUryo bhAti na candra-tArakaM naimA vidyuto bhAnti kuto'yam-agniH / tameva bhAntaM anubhAti sarvaM tasya bhAsA sarvam-idaM vibhAti // appears in Mundaka upanishad, II-2-10. The above verses are chanted in temples during Aarti time to bring the essence of the Light in our life. Also,our dear ProfVKji has discussed this verse inside an article with the title, " Brahman " in the following link: http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/definitions/brahman.htm Here are few other links where there are some additional discussions. http://www.karansingh.com/essays/myth-importance-human- consciousness.htm (This article by Karansingh is quite illuminating) http://www.dlshq.org/download/insight_sadhana2.pdf (Swami Sivananda also discusses the verse in the context of Gita) www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part5/referp5b.htm (this discussion comes within text by Paramacharya on Hindu Dharma) With my warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin , " Ram Chandran " <ramvchandran wrote: > 'Tasya Bhasa Sarvamidam Vibhati' (In His light > all else shines). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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