Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 praNAms Hare Krishna It would be an interesting reconciliation (samanvaya) between below two seemingly contradictory shruti vAkyas. I'd humbly request Sri Sastri prabhuji to throw more light on these shruti statements. mana eva manushyANAm kAraNam bandhamokshayoH, OR manasaimEvAptavyaM nEha nAnAsti kiMchana with yato vAcho nivartante aprApya manasA saha.... OR na tatra chakshurgacchati na vAggacchati nO manaH Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 advaitin , bhaskar.yr wrote: > > praNAms > Hare Krishna > > It would be an interesting reconciliation (samanvaya) between below two > seemingly contradictory shruti vAkyas. I'd humbly request Sri Sastri > prabhuji to throw more light on these shruti statements. > > mana eva manushyANAm kAraNam bandhamokshayoH, > OR > manasaimEvAptavyaM nEha nAnAsti kiMchana > > with > > yato vAcho nivartante aprApya manasA saha.... > OR > na tatra chakshurgacchati na vAggacchati nO manaH > > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! > bhaskar > It would be an interesting reconciliation (samanvaya) between below two seemingly contradictory shruti vAkyas. I'd humbly request Sri Sastri prabhuji to throw more light on these shruti statements. mana eva manushyANAm kAraNam bandhamokshayoH, OR manasaimEvAptavyaM nEha nAnAsti kiMchana with yato vAcho nivartante aprApya manasA saha.... OR na tatra chakshurgacchati na vAggacchati nO manaH Namaste, Bhaskar Prabhuji and all You have posted the question in the most intelligent way as to invite a scholarly reply. Not being able to reply in a scholarly way, I make bold to write a quick commonfolk reply from one who thinks he has inherited some advaita learning from an erudite advaitic scholar- father. The scriptures as well as all Vedantic writings are full of such dual type statements as the ones which you have focussed. The word `Mind' (manas, chittam) is used in different contexts and connotations. When they say `Mind is the villain of the piece', they refer to every one's mind, the way every one holds as `his own mind'. It is the mind that he means when he says: `To my mind, I think it is ….'. The scriptures as well as the teachers mean this mind when they say, any one of the following: • Conquer your mind. • Use your intellect to guide and steer your mind • Think of God • Keep good things in your mind • Do not allow your mind to take you astray. • Your mind cannot comprehend Him • .. and so many more of this kind. But when they say things like • Mentally renounce everything that is material. • Align yourself with the Imperishable Purusha within you. • Do not think of anything (na kimcid-api cintayet – Gita Ch.6) • When the mind is pure, that is where it is one with the Absolute. • The Right Seer's mind does not distinguish between good and bad. • Mind, relieved of all duality, is the released Mind • … and so many more of this kind, they refer to a mind which has already gone through all purifications and so is no more the common mind of either the average man or the seeker. In one sense there is then no `mind' at all in the earlier sense, but still there is a mind which, `to my mind' (!), is equivalent to that of a Ramana, a Shankara, a Jada-bharata or a Sadashiva Brahman. PraNAms to all advaitins. profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Bhaskar-ji: Would you mind, for the non-sanskrit speakers, try to transalte the different possibilities that you were requesting Sri Sastri to shed light on? Thanks in advance either way (meaning even if you don't do it), Mouna advaitin , bhaskar.yr wrote: > It would be an interesting reconciliation (samanvaya) between below two > seemingly contradictory shruti vAkyas. I'd humbly request Sri Sastri > prabhuji to throw more light on these shruti statements. > > mana eva manushyANAm kAraNam bandhamokshayoH, > OR > manasaimEvAptavyaM nEha nAnAsti kiMchana > > with > > yato vAcho nivartante aprApya manasA saha.... > OR > na tatra chakshurgacchati na vAggacchati nO manaH > > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! > bhaskar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Namaste. One needs the mind for reconciliation (samanwaya) between contradictions. Bhaskarji's appeal, I notice, is addressed to scholarship. There can't be any scholarship without the mind (analytical intellect). Underplaying the importance of the mind in vedantic enquiry is like throwing away the spade in a treasure-hunt. A scenario without mind is unthinkable. If there is any such being without a mind, he sure is a vegetable or even less. Vegetables don't go self-enquiring. All said and done, Acharya's following words in Bhajagovindam pay *rich tributes* to scholarship! For Mounaji, I have inserted the English translations I could gather from the web (which means I am not responsible for them): ____________ " Bhajagovindam Bhajagovindam Govindam Bhaja Moodhamathe Samprapte Sannihite Kaale Nahi Nahi Rakshati Dukrinkarane " (1) " [seek or Worship Govinda, Seek Govinda, Seek Govinda, O Fool. When death comes at the appointed time, grammar rules will not save or rescue you.] " " muuDhaH kashchana vaiyaakaraNo DukRiJNkaraNaadhyayana dhuriNaH . shriimachchhamkara bhagavachchhishhyai bodhita aasichchhodhitakaraNaH " .. (32) " Thus (through the wisdom in Bhajagovindam) was a silly grammarian lost in rules of grammar cleansed of his narrow vision and shown the Light by Shankara's apostles. " __________ To appreciate Bhajagovindam, we need the mind! Then what to say about the lofty upanishadic statements quoted by Bhaskarji? Let us keep the mind. PraNAms. Madathil Nair __________________________ advaitin , bhaskar.yr wrote: > It would be an interesting reconciliation (samanvaya) between below two > seemingly contradictory shruti vAkyas. I'd humbly request Sri Sastri > prabhuji to throw more light on these shruti statements. > > mana eva manushyANAm kAraNam bandhamokshayoH, > OR > manasaimEvAptavyaM nEha nAnAsti kiMchana > > with > > yato vAcho nivartante aprApya manasA saha.... > OR > na tatra chakshurgacchati na vAggacchati nO manaH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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