Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 The bliss was very great. However, with effort, I restrained Myself from being overwhelmed by it and thought, " I am not the one experiencing bliss but am bliss itself. " In a trice, a sharp change occurred. Awareness of the distinction of the concentrator, concentration and the object of concentration completely disappeared. No more was there any sense of individuality or of space, time and objects. Only Brahman, of the nature of absolute existence, pure consciousness and ultimate bliss, shone bereft of the superimposition of even a trace of duality............Though the bliss of savikalpa samadhi was by far greater than the joy of any worldly enjoyment, it was nothing compared to the absolute non-dual bliss of nirvikalpa samadhi " Ramesh The book 'Yoga, Enlightenment and Perfection' from which the above passage has been quoted, is a most wonderful one. I read through the whole of it twice. It deserves to be read by every student of advaita. It is clear from the above passage that there can be no comparison between the happiness of deep sleep and the bliss of samAdhi. Moreover, the person in samAdhi experiences the bliss at that time, but the happiness in sleep is not known at that time and is only remembered on waking up. The difference between samAdhi and sleep is brought out as follows in vedAntasAra of sadAnanda yogIndra:-- Though no mental state (vritti) appears in either of these, there is a difference between them in that it exists in nirvikalpa samAdhi, but in deep sleep it does not. The mental state, though not perceived in samAdhi, exists, having taken the form of brahman. But in deep sleep the mental state (vritti) is totally absent, having merged in its cause, ignorance. In his commentary on the gItA Madhusudana Sarasvati says:--- Gita-6.21—The word 'atindriyam', beyond the senses, excludes sensual happiness, because that is dependent on the contact of the organs and objects. By the word 'buddhigrahyam', intuited by the intellect, is excluded the happiness in deep sleep, *because the intellect loses itself in deep sleep, but in samadhi it continues without modifications.* In mANdUkya kArika, III. 35 it is said:-- For that mind loses itself in sleep, but does not lose itself when under control. That very mind becomes the fearless brahman, possessed of the light of consciousness all around. In his bhAshya on mANDUkya kArika, III. 46 Sri Sankara says:-- When the mind becomes motionless, like a lamp in a windless place, it does not appear in the form of any object imagined outside; when the mind assumes such characteristics, then it becomes brahman; or in other words, the mind then becomes identified with brahman. Thus the difference between samAdhi and sleep has been brought out. S.N.Sastri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 It is clear from the above passage that there can be no comparison between the happiness of deep sleep and the bliss of samAdhi. praNAms Hare Krishna However, shankara himself states that experience wise both samAdhi & deep sleep states are similar...... Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Hello Richard, I am asking the question sincerely, I ask you because I think it will fit in to the protocols. If you feel other wise please ignore this. I am not literate w.r.t. the related topic, so you be the judge if it will be of any use to answer the question. WHAT IS SAMADHI ? With respect Dinesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 advaitin , " S.N. Sastri " <sn.sastri wrote: > The book 'Yoga, Enlightenment and Perfection' from which the above passage > has been quoted, is a most wonderful one. I read through the whole of it > twice. It deserves to be read by every student of advaita. .... > > Thus the difference between samAdhi and sleep has been brought out. praNams Shri Sastri maHaShaya, Thanks a lot for the distintion. Regards Ramakrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 advaitin , " Ramesh Krishnamurthy " <rkmurthy wrote: > > Sri Ramakrishna-ji, pranam: > > If you want to know what is samadhi and how is it useful, I would > suggest that you read the book " Yoga, Enlightenment & Perfection of > Sri Abhinava Vidyatirtha Mahaswamigal " , a book describing the > sadhana-s of Sri Abhinava Vidyatirtha, who was the acharya of Sringeri > from 1954 to 1989. praNams Shri Sadaji and Rameshji, Thank you for the explanation. Rameshji, May I ask where is this book available? Also, Is it available in USA? Google searches revealed no online sources/references. Thank you again Ramakrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 On 20/12/2007, Ramakrishna Upadrasta <ramakrsn wrote: > > Rameshji, > May I ask where is this book available? > Also, Is it available in USA? Google searches revealed no online > sources/references. > > Thank you again > Ramakrishna Even in the information age, certain things are available only in the punyabhumi called Bharatavarsha :-) The book I referred to, and a few others of its kind, are published by an organization named Vidyatheertha Foundation in Chennai. Their books are excellent in terms of content and quite good in terms of printing quality etc, but their distribution is unfortunately rather limited. Their books are usually available at various Sringeri mutt branches. So your best bet is to get someone in Chennai/Bangalore to procure the books from the mutt bookstall and send them to you by post. You could also get the books directly from them by post/courier, but this service is available only within India. So you will need to provide an Indian address. Their contact details are: GB, Saikaruna Apartments 49, Five Furlong Road Guindy Chennai 600 032 email: srividyatheertha If you are interested, I can procure a copy and send it to you, but I will be able to do so only after 10th January. Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 advaitin , " Ramesh Krishnamurthy " <rkmurthy wrote: > > On 20/12/2007, Ramakrishna Upadrasta <ramakrsn wrote: > > > > Rameshji, > > May I ask where is this book available? > > Also, Is it available in USA? Google searches revealed no online > > sources/references. > > > > Thank you again > > Ramakrishna > Namaste, I got couple of books published from vidyatheeratha foundation from samatha book store, chennai. Their website address is as under: http://www.samatabooks.com/ The search engine is not good. If you are unable to find the book through search, you can write to them to know its availability. Yours in Sri Ramakrishna, Br. Vinayaka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 advaitin , Dinesh Rao <hgdinesh wrote: > > Hello Richard, > > I am asking the question sincerely, I ask you because I think it will > fit in to the protocols. > If you feel other wise please ignore this. > I am not literate w.r.t. the related topic, so you be the judge if it > will be of any use to answer the question. > > WHAT IS SAMADHI ? > > With respect > Dinesh > Hi Dinesh I would say it is a trance-like state where the jiva recognizes its oneness with the Self. For a better explanation, you might google 'samadhi'. Also perhaps the definition might be found in the files on this site. Best wishes, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Note from List Moderators: Members are once again reminded not to include the entire message of the previous posters. Remove unnecessary portion of previous posters' messages as it is done here. Thanks again for your cooperation in keeping the message crisp and clean. Sri Ramakrishna-ji From my understanding here is the meaning of Samadhi. Sama - equal Adhi - God According to the patanjali yoga sutra, this is the highest stage one attains in his path of Yoga of self attainment. There are various stages of Samadhi and the highest one is called Kabala Motcha. Thus attaining the Lord or uniting with him transcending the normal state is Samadhi. Karthik --- Ramakrishna Upadrasta <ramakrsn wrote: > May I ask where is this book available? > Also, Is it available in USA? Google searches > revealed no online ______________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Namaste Ramesh-ji. I am very late in joining this discussion due to several other preoccupations. What struck me most was the following statement of the Acharya in your quote: QUOTE However, with effort, I restrained Myself from being overwhelmed by it and thought, " I am not the one experiencing bliss but am bliss itself. " In a trice, a sharp change occurred. Awareness of the distinction of the concentrator, concentration and the object of concentration completely disappeared. UNQUOTE There the Acharya surmounted the biggest obstacle to sAdhana - of getting stuck with experience. Being the experience is the secret of realization. Then there is nothing other than you. No more any likes and dislikes or pairs of opposites. It is entirely different from our usual experiencing. The ignorant one sleeps. The realized one is wakeful in sleep. He is wakeful to himself. That I understand is samAdhi. The flame alone lighting itself up without anything around to be lighted up. PraNAms. Madathil Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 advaitin , " Ramesh Krishnamurthy " <rkmurthy wrote: > The book I referred to, and a few others of its kind, are published by > an organization named Vidyatheertha Foundation in Chennai. Their books > are excellent in terms of content and quite good in terms of printing > quality etc, but their distribution is unfortunately rather limited. > Their books are usually available at various Sringeri mutt branches. > So your best bet is to get someone in Chennai/Bangalore to procure the > books from the mutt bookstall and send them to you by post. > > You could also get the books directly from them by post/courier, but > this service is available only within India. So you will need to > provide an Indian address. Their contact details are: praNams Rameshji, Thanks for the reference. I will email you in private. [The email id you provided does not seem to work.] Thanks to everyone who responded Ramakrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 namaste bhaskarji where exactly Shankara says samadhi and sushupthi is one and the same? actually which samadhi does he mention there? i mean savikalpa samadhi (bhAva samAdhi) or nirvikalpa samAdhi? cheers Narendra On 12/20/07, bhaskar.yr <bhaskar.yr wrote: However, shankara himself states that experience wise both samAdhi & deep sleep states are similar...... However, shankara himself states that experience wise both samAdhi & deep sleep states are similar...... Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 namaste bhaskarji where exactly Shankara says samadhi and sushupthi is one and the same? actually which samadhi does he mention there? i mean savikalpa samadhi (bhAva samAdhi) or nirvikalpa samAdhi? cheers Narendra praNAms Sri Narendra Shastri prabhuji Hare Krishna Dont remember exactly where it is...I think it is either in sUtra /mAndUkya bhAshya (Sri Sunder prabhuji or Sri shastri prabhuji could you pls.??) ...Shankara says here nidrA, samAdhi, mUrchA etc. etc. are all in same category of *adarshanAvasthA*..BTW, shankara in his whole of prasthAna trayi bhAshya nowhere talks about savikalpa or nirvikalpa samAdhi....though he uses the word *samAdhi* at various places, there is no room for us to infer that this samAdhi is mysterious experience of some individuals with bhAva or without bhAva...IN short, what shankara says is brahma jnAna is not restricted to any state that is beyond vyavahAra (vyavahArAtIta )... Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Namaste You can find the reference to sleep = samadhi in Brahma Sutra Bhashya 2:1:9. On Jan 21, 2008 6:05 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr wrote: namaste bhaskarji > where exactly Shankara says samadhi and sushupthi is one and the same? > actually which samadhi does he mention there? i mean savikalpa samadhi > (bhAva samAdhi) or nirvikalpa samAdhi? > cheers > Narendra > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 advaitin , " K Kathirasan " <brahmasatyam wrote: > > Namaste > > You can find the reference to sleep = samadhi in Brahma Sutra Bhashya 2:1:9. > > On Jan 21, 2008 6:05 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr wrote: > > Namaste, The Mandukya Karika and Bhashya III:34-37 appears to give me a different understanding. nigR^ihiitasya manaso nirvikalpasya dhiimataH | prachaaraH sa tu viGYeyaH sushhupte.anyo na tatsamaH || 34|| liiyate hi sushhupte tannigR^ihiitaM na liiyate | tadeva nirbhayaM brahma GYaanaalokaM samantataH || 35|| ajamanidramasvapnamanaamakamaruupakam.h | sakR^idvibhaataM sarvaGYaM nopachaaraH kathaJNchana || 36|| sarvaabhilaapavigataH sarvachintaasamutthitaH | suprashaantaH sakR^ijjyotiH samaadhirachalo.abhayaH || 37|| III-31. Whatever there is, moving and unmoving, which constitutes this duality, is perceived by the mind, for when mind does not exist as mind, duality is never perceived. III-32. When the mind ceases to imagine consequent on the realisation of the Truth which is the Self, then it attains the state of not being the mind and becomes a non-perceiver, owing to the absence of objects to be perceived. III-33. (The knowers of Brahman) say that the knowledge which is free from imagination, and unborn is not distinct from the knowable. The knowledge of which Brahman is the sole object is unborn and everlasting. The unborn (Self) is known by the (knowledge that is) unborn. III-34. The behaviour of the mind (thus) restrained, which is free from all imagination and which is endowed with discrimination, should be noticed. The mind in deep sleep is of a different character and is not like that (when it is under restraint). III-35. The mind becomes dissolved in deep sleep, but when under restraint, it doesn't become dissolved. That (mind) alone becomes Brahman, the fearless, endowed with the light that is Consciousness on all sides. III-36. (Brahman is) birthless, sleepless, dreamless, nameless, formless, ever-resplendent and omniscient. (As regards That) there can be no routine practice of any kind. III-37. The Self is devoid of all (external) organs, and is above all internal organs. It is exquisitely serene, eternally resplendent, divinely absorbed, unchanging and fearless. III-38. Where there is no thought whatever, there is no acceptance or rejection. Then knowledge, rooted in the Self, attains the state of birthlessness and sameness. III-39. This Yoga that is said to be not in touch with anything is hard to be perceived by anyone of the Yogis, for the Yogis who behold fear in what is fearless, are afraid of it. III-40. For all the Yogis, fearlessness, cessation of misery, awareness and everlasting peace, depend upon the control of their mind. III-41. By a tireless effort such as that by which the emptying of an ocean, drop by drop, is aimed at with the help of the edge of a Kusa grass, the conquest of the mind will become possible through absence of dejection. III-42. With the (proper) means one should bring under restraint the mind that is torn amid desire and enjoyment. Even when the mind is well settled down in sleep, it should be brought under restraint, for sleep is as harmful as desire. Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 advaitin , " K Kathirasan " <brahmasatyam wrote: > > Namaste > > You can find the reference to sleep = samadhi in Brahma Sutra Bhashya 2:1:9. praNAms Sri Kathirasan prabhuji Hare Krishna Thanks a lot for giving me the reference....The manOnigraha yOga referred in mAndUkya kArika is meant for sAdhakas who have taken it for granted that there exists a mana (antaHkaraNa) apart from Atman...Shankara calls them heena, madhyama yOgins ( reference vide shankara's commentary on mAdUkya kArika on 3-39 & 40)....However the result of manOnigraha yOga is not pAtanjala's asamprajnAta samAdhi ( a peculiar trance state) but Atmaikatva vidya as enshrined in shruti-s. Anyway, that is my understanding based on my paramaguruji's teachings. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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