Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Namaskaraha, Are we in this world or the world within us? Or to put the same in other words, 'anEkajIva or EkajIva'? IMO, solution to this question addresses all the recently seen discussions in the group about the prArabdha karma of Atma Jnani! As I'm not well versed with any philosophical works, my opinions will always be just intellectual:-) So, if the scholars in this group have a discussion on this, I feel, most will be benefited. To state my opinion, I'm of the second view. Thanks, Prashant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 --- Prashant M R <prashant.mr wrote: > Namaskaraha, > > Are we in this world or the world within us? Sir - as I understand - we are in this world to learn that the world is within us! Hari Om! Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 advaitin , kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada wrote: > > > --- Prashant M R <prashant.mr wrote: Namaste, yes only little change in the below reply is " we are in this world to know in our ANUBHAVA that the world is within us, next step " there is no other world other than me i.e. Atman " --- as per Goudapaada 'prapanchO yadi vidyEta nivartEta na samshayaha | mAyAmAtramidam dvaitam advaitam paramArThataha || ' As in our dream everything is projected by me alone , similarly as this so called jaagrat is nothing but dream ' mai Eva sakalam jAtam mayi sarvam pratiSTitam | mayi sarvam layam yati tadbrahmAdvayamasmyaham || shubhamastu, sanjeeva murthy > > > Namaskaraha, > > > > Are we in this world or the world within us? > > Sir - as I understand - we are in this world to learn > that the world is within us! > > Hari Om! > Sadananda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Pranams Prashantiji: You wrote: > Are we in this world or the world within us? and also > As I'm not well versed with any philosophical works, my opinions will always be just intellectual My opinion is that it depends what do mean by " we " and " us " , and eventually what do you mean by " I " . As object, i'm surrounded by objects, as subject, all objects are in " I " If one takes a moment to follows any thought, perception, etc.. to its source, whence they spring from, one might discover or " recognize " the answer to that question. It does not take to be well versed in any philosophical work to do that... Pranams to All, Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Thanks to Shri Sadananda, Shri Sanjeeva Murthy and Mouna for the reply. 1) >> we are in this world to learn that the world is within us! From your short reply, I assume, my understanding is correct:-) 2) > there is no other world other than me i.e. Atman and the karika Even this goes well with my view. 3) >> It does not take to be well versed in any >> philosophical work to do that... I was only trying to focus on the topic, 'post jnana activities of a jnani'! If we accept the ajAtivAda fully, there'll not be any discussions on karmas of a jnani, for what possible activity a second-less Brahman may have? 1. When it's said 'Jnani performs normal activities in vyavarika view', does it mean, in Jnani's vyavarika view or mine? Can't be in Jnani's, then if in my view, I'm still ignorant to see this illusory world, so I can't recognize him to be jnani, for there is no communication medium(I'll try to summarize my this view in another thread!) and even if I did, it's my yet another ignorant thought! 2. If ajativada is accepted, is the world not just an appearance? and is it not that all our actions are driven by anyatha jnana as in any dream one would do all such things with so many people around? 3. On the same topic, Shri Dennis says, in 38808, 'Realization is the event in the mind' and 'Nothing is any different other than the self-knowledge in the mind of the j~nAnI' and 'realization makes no difference to the appearance' In that case, I'd call that as not realization at all, but just an intellectual understanding! 4. Can all such questions be called merely a difference between vyavahArika and paaramarthika views? An illusion is never real and so obviously will not be there along with the right knowledge. And when one is in such an illusion, to gradually bring the student to a better understanding, shastras take up different logic, explanations, etc.. And all this is, as stated in gau. ka. 1.16,17,18, only for the teaching purpose. So vyavahArika view shouldn't be extended more than this and always there is only one right view which is paaramarthika! IMO, taking a pratyagaatma drishti simplifies the question of whether many jIvas or not, as pointed in (2). and hence a jnani need not have any vyavahArika/paaramarthika views. pranams, Prashant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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