What will it be like

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Namaste Madathilji,

I don't know if this addresses your problem.

 

I find the section that you allude to in the chapter entitled 'The Aim of

Vedanta':(V.P.)

" Therefore even according to the view that nescience is one, the

distinction (between the bound and the liberated) is to be explained by

the admission of a different covering (due to nescience) for every

individual self. "

 

That seems only fair. The different covering would perhaps be the

individual mind as a distinct upadhi for pure consciousness. Pure

consciousness seems to have taken that form. This is the source of wrong

indentification. The mind is insentient and only its association with

pure consciousness makes it seem to be conscious in a free standing way.

This sense of the individuality of consciousness has to be overcome by the

mysterious event of realisation.

 

Best Wishes,

Michael.

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Hello Michael,

 

This sense of the individuality of consciousness has

to be overcome by

the

mysterious event of realisation.

 

There seems to be an implied assumption that there is

something wrong with individuality, that it should

somehow be " overcome " .

 

Why??

 

What's wrong with the sense of individuality when one

understands that the very basis for individuality is

the Self? If I, as the individual, want to over come

individuality, surely it will never happen! I cannot

will myself into realization, nor can I meditate my

way out of it, nor can I, by inquiry, somehow overcome

individuality, since the individual is the one doing

all these huge attempts to do away with individuality.

Seems maybe the very desire to overcome individuality

is to give it huge importance and therefore even

further entrench it?

 

Maybe realization is nothing more than to cease

creating such great distinction between the individual

and the Self?

 

Maybe I am and always have been the Self manifesting

as the individual? And if that's so, then apparently

the Self wants lots of selves?...ha, one guy's groping

questions and ruminations about the subject...Happy

New Year, all!!

 

 

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[Guest guest]

hello Steve, excellent and brilliant yukti or reasoning you have given. I really

liked the thought process.

 

However, what does it mean? is there any sAdhana left? what does SankarAcharya

says regarding citta suddhi, all karmas, meditation etc. are needed for citta

suddhi. to whom have these words of : " tat tvam asi " statement immediately

caused self realization among members of this internet community?. why did those

statements as soon as heard did not cause change in many!! lack of citta suddhi

my friend. I am not denying that there is none. all i can say is there can only

be a few. and for the rest of us, there is always a sAdhana path, karma, bhakti

etc.

 

I come across a number of people who sincerely to Advaita and take the

pre-requisites too lightly, that the ones who realized really gave up:

 

vittaisana : desire for money

putraisana: desire for kids

lokaisana: desire for fame

 

and they did bhikshAcarya or lived on charity. I think they could NOT work in

their state of realization (example: Ramakrishna paramahamsa). One person who

passed away just hours before I could talk to him recently in India was Ajja. (

i have given some links below to this great personality. However, he was

absolutely camera shy and almost no recordings of his talks are available. he

only talked to people who came to him. I was unfortunate that I could see only

his remains on that day in march 2007. only people close to him know about him

and his teachings)

 

for all the rest, the statement: BrahmanA vividisanti yajnena danena tapasa

anasakena holds good. ie. work, meditation, austerities etc.

 

happy new year.

information on ajja:

http://www.wie.org/unbound/media.asp?id=172

 

Krishna Kashyap

 

 

 

 

Steve Stoker <otnac6

advaitin

Monday, December 31, 2007 3:24:49 PM

Re: What will it be like

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Michael,

 

 

 

This sense of the individuality of consciousness has

 

to be overcome by

 

the

 

mysterious event of realisation.

 

 

 

There seems to be an implied assumption that there is

 

something wrong with individuality, that it should

 

somehow be " overcome " .

 

 

 

Why??

 

 

 

What's wrong with the sense of individuality when one

 

understands that the very basis for individuality is

 

the Self? If I, as the individual, want to over come

 

individuality, surely it will never happen! I cannot

 

will myself into realization, nor can I meditate my

 

way out of it, nor can I, by inquiry, somehow overcome

 

individuality, since the individual is the one doing

 

all these huge attempts to do away with individuality.

 

Seems maybe the very desire to overcome individuality

 

is to give it huge importance and therefore even

 

further entrench it?

 

 

 

Maybe realization is nothing more than to cease

 

creating such great distinction between the individual

 

and the Self?

 

 

 

Maybe I am and always have been the Self manifesting

 

as the individual? And if that's so, then apparently

 

the Self wants lots of selves?...ha, one guy's groping

 

questions and ruminations about the subject...Happy

 

New Year, all!!

 

 

 

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From : H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy

Pranams to all.

 

advaitin , Steve Stoker <otnac6 wrote:

 

>Maybe I am and always have been the Self manifesting

> as the individual?

 

Dear Sri Steve Stoker,

 

A little modification of your statement with your

kind permission :

 

Modified Version:

" I am and always have been and will be the Self , the Self

appearing as the individual? "

 

This is what has been stated by Acharya KASHAKRUTSNA and the same

has been declared as THE TRUTH by Sri Acharya Shankara. This can be

verified and realised by oneself within oneself, HERE and NOW , by the

methodology of TRI BASIC VIEW OF LIFE.

 

A study in depth of the book " Vedanta Or The science Of Reality " ,

written by Sri K.A.Krishnaswamy Iyyer, will help one to cognize the

above stated modified version.

 

With warm and respectful regards,

Sreenivasa Murthy

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Dear Sir,

 

Thank you for your reply!

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello Krishna Kashyap!

 

vittaisana : desire for money

putraisana: desire for kids

lokaisana: desire for fame

 

I have some money, enough for my needs and a few

" extras " . I have no children. I have at times desired

fame. I've had fantasies of having " a lot of money " .

I've had fantasies of being famous...

 

But when those fantasies come, they don't last for

long. I just watch them playing out in my mind, I see

the fantasies in detail for awhile and then start

smiling.

 

IF I ever did, through some means or other, acquire a

lot of money, that would bring a whole new set of

problems! More taxes, what to DO with the money, how

to keep it, what to spend it on!!! How to invest it so

that it doesn't lose money. It would require an

investment of energy and thought and effort...the list

could go on and on...

 

Children: I never wanted children. My father, in his

anger, would tell me how horrible it was having

children, so I never wanted any! He, bless his heart,

didn't really know what he was instilling in me, so I

don't blame him. His childhood was miserable and he

had little ability to rear children or show love.

 

Fame: Ha! This is the most illusory of all. Fame and a

struggle to have privacy; other people, with their own

huge needs looking for something in a " famous " person,

wanting to identify in some way with the " famous "

person. I can imagine many people with fame wishing it

had never come. To really need fame would be truly

aweful, I think. It would mean the person desiring it

has little sense of the emphemeral nature of life

here, would be unable to look at " famous " people of

the past and see the simple fact...they're dead and

gone! What good did all that fame do them? And while

they were alive and had fame, was anything added to

them?...

 

....So when these fantasies come, they're a time for

humor and I let them remain for a little while and

then they're gone, little comedies in my head! Best

wishes!

 

 

 

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