Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Gita Satsangh Chapter 11 Verses 39 to 40 (Verse Translation by Swami Gambirananda, Gita Bhasya and commentary by Swami Chinmayanandaji) Vaayuryamo'gnirvarunah shashaankah Prajaapatistwam prapitaamahashcha; Namo namaste'stu sahasrakritwah Punashcha bhooyo'pi namo namaste. Verse 39 39. You are Air, Death, Fire, the god of the waters, the moon, the Lord of the creatures, and the Greater-grandfather. Salutations! Salutation be to You a thousand times salutation to You again and again! Salutation! You are vayuh, Air yamah, Death and agnih, Fire varunah, the god of the waters sasankah, the moon prajapatih, the Lord of the creatures- Kasyapa and others [see note on p.2.-Tr.] and pra-pitamahah, the Great-grandfather, i.e. the Father ever of Brahma (Hiranyagarbha). Namo, salutations namah, salutation astu, be te, to You sahasra-krtvah, a thousand times. Punah ca bhuyah api namo te, salutation to You again and again namah, salutation! The suffix krtvasuc (after sahasra) indicates performance and repetition of the act of salutation a number of times. The words punah ca bhuyah api (again and again) indicate his own dissatisfaction [Dissatisfaction with only a few salutations.] owing to abundance of reverence and devotion. So far Arjuna was chanting the glories of the God in His transcendental form. A devotee (Upasaka) may wonder what exactly the relationship of the Supreme with his particular Lord-of-the-heart (Upasya) is. The forms and names of Deities conceived of, and fervently prayed to in ancient times, are generally representations of the manifested phenomenal powers. In the Vedic period, Vayu (the Wind), Yama (the Destroyer), Agni (the Fire), Varuna (the Sea-god), Shashanka (the Moon) and Prajapati (The Creator) were considered as Deities for reverence and devotion, concentration and growth of the seeker's inner personality. These gods were involved in those days through chanting and worship, through rituals and sacrifices, and therefore, they were the only popular concepts of God even in the minds of the educated. Oftentimes and everywhere, " means " have a tendency to get misunderstood as the very " goal. " Arjuna, here in his true understanding, indicates the Infinite, the Source of all potentialities, the Lord, as nothing other than Krishna, the Infinite. That the Supreme Lord, in fact, expressing through various functions, Himself plays the part of these Deities is an acceptable view from the standpoint of Vedanta. In our own times it is usual for the devotees to invoke the Lord and assert that 'the Lord of their heart' is the Lord of all Lords. To this Lord of all Lords, Arjuna prostrates. Namah purastaadatha prishthataste Namo'stu te sarvata eva sarva; Anantaveeryaamitavikramastwam Sarvam samaapnoshi tato'si sarvah. Verse 40 40. Salutation to You in the East and behind. Salutation be to You on all sides in deed, O All! You are possessed of infinite strength and infinite heroism. You pervade everything hence You are all! Namah, salutation to You purastat, in the East atha, and even prsthatah, behind. Salutation be sarvatah, on all sides eva, indeed te, to You who exist everywhere sarva, O All! Tvam, You are ananta-virya-amita-vikramah, possessed of infinite strength and infinite heroism. virya is strength, and vikramah is heroism. Someone though possessing strength for the use of weapons etc. [Ast. reads 'satru-vadha-visaye, in the matter of killing an enemy'.-Tr.] may lack heroism or have little heroism. But You are possessed of infinite strength and infinite heroism. Samapnosi, You pervade, interpenetrate sarvam, everything, the whole Universe, by Your single Self. Tatah, hence asi, You are sarvah, All, i.e., no entity exists without You. The Supreme dwells everywhere within, without, above, below and around, and there is no place where He is not. This is not an original idea at all. This has been the constant state of actual experience of all the great Rishis of the Upanishads. The Lord, to whom Arjuna thus mentally prostrates from all sides, is not only the All-pervading Essence like space in the Universe, but is also the " womb " from which all power and daring flow out. Wherever there is an incentive to act, or a capacity to achieve, it is all a ray of His infinite potentiality. The Supreme as Pure Existence dwells everywhere, in everything and in all beings. Since nothing can exist without Existence, He, as Pure Existence, penetrates all, and in fact He alone is the All. Ocean alone is all the waves; mud alone is all the mud-pots. I HAVE BEEN A SINNER DUE TO LACK OF 'RIGHT KNOWLEDGE' OF THY GREATNESS, AND SO VERY MUCH LIVED FOOLISHLY IN THE PAST. THEREFORE: 'Since I am guilty of not knowing Your greatness, therefore,'- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Swami Dayananda Saraswati's Explanation and Commentary: These are all glories of Bhagavan. He himself is vayuh, air or the God of air and also yamah, Lord Death. He is agnih, the Lord of fire and varunah, the presiding deity of Avater. Arjuna appreciates, " they are not separate from you. " Then again, " You are the presiding deity of the moon, sasankah and you are prajapatih, one of the first created beings and praphamahah, our ultimate great grandfather, the creator. " From parambrahma Brahmaji was born. He is called pitamahah, grandfather. Therefore by saying prapitawah, great grandfather, he is saying, " You are param brahma. " Repealed salutations to you, namah namah te astu. " How many times? One thousand, sahasrakrtvah. Not only that, " Again and again also, salutations to you, punah ca bhuyah api namah namah te. " Once you say a thousand times, what does it mean to then say, " Again I salute you. " ? Arjuna is not satisfied. His sraddha is so great and so much devotion has been invoked in him seeing the cosmic form of the Lord, he wants to do something. He can only prostrate. What else can he do? He repeatedly prostrates and still finds that he is not satisfied. Whatever he does is not enough. When people are overwhelmed with appreciation they typically say things like, " I don't know what to say to you. I don't know what to do for you. " That is Arjuna's condition. He does not know what to do. And Bhagavan does not want anything either. All Arjuna can do is keep falling at his feet. And this is what he is doing. Therefore punah ca bhuyah api namo namaste 111. But he cannot really do a thousand or more namaskaras. He has no lime for all that; the war is about to begin. So what he cannot do physically, he does verbally. Then where should he prostrate? Generally you prostrate only at the feet, in front of the person. But Arjuna does not know which is the front or back here; everything is Parames'vara. Salutations to you in the east, then in the west salutations to you, indeed (salutations) to you in all directions, one who is everything. You who are of infinite strength and infinite prowess completely pervade everything. Therefore, you are everything. Now he says, " namah purastat. salutations to you in the east. " In a temple, the Lord generally faces the east but here Arjuna is saluting the Lord in the eastern direction. Not only that " Salutations to you in the west, atha prsthatah te namah astu. " In fact, " Let there be salutations to you in all directions, te sarvatah eva sarva, " Why? Because he is seeing Bhagavan in all directions. He is not only the east and -west, but south, north and all the directions in between, northwest, northeast etc. Arjuna addresses him here as the one who is everything, sarva. He goes on. " You are of limitless power, ananta-vlrya, and immeasurable prowess, amita-vikramah. " Arjuna recognizes Bhagavan here as having infinite strength and infinite prowess. Thus, 'You completely pervade everything, samapnosi. " The prefix sam added to apnosi gives the sense of pervading without anything left out. " You pervade every object in the universe. Nothing is outside you. " " Because of that, you are everything, tatah asi sarvah. " Sankara says the intention is to say, " Without you there is no object at all. " Arjuna is seeing that Bhagavan is the one who is in all these forms. All the nama rupas are sustained by him and are him. So without him, an object will have no existence at all. Arjuna and Krishna had many escapades together as youths. Remembering how lightly he treated Krishna then and even recently when he asked him to be his charioteer and ordered him to station the chariot between the armies, Arjuna is having some remorse. He knew Krishna was extraordinary and had even heard he was an avatara but he had no idea what that really meant. He never thought he was Paramesvara and therefore treated him in a way that he now regrets. Arjuna asks for his pardon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Namaste: In verse 39, Arjuna identifies the Lord with Vayu, Yama and other gods worthy of salutation. Arjuna further states that all those other gods represents only a fraction of His being. Therefore, He alone is worthy of receiving salutations from all in every respect. Arjuna's repeated use of the indeclinable `Namah' with the adverbial compound `Sahasrakrtvah' shows his deep reverence for the Lord. It should be pointed out that Arjuna's reverence was mixed with fear and that may explain why he did not feel tired of bowing to Him, and wanted to go on with his salutations. In the first half of verse 40 Arjuna has already addressed the Lord as `Sarva'. In the latter half he establishes His universal character. There is no iota of space where He is not; there is no particle of matter that is not permeated by Him. Therefore, He is all in all. Apart from God the world had no reality whatsoever in the eyes of Arjuna. These verses further confirm that Arjuna still sees Krishna as a separate entity (duality). The most recent discussions (contrasting Arjuna and Prahlada) that correspond to verses 37 and 38 are equally valid for these verses also. With my warmest regards, Ram Chandran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 advaitin , " Ram Chandran " <ramvchandran wrote: > > Namaste: > > In verse 39, Arjuna identifies the Lord with Vayu, Yama and other > gods worthy of salutation. Arjuna further states that all those other > gods represents only a fraction of His being. Therefore, He alone is > worthy of receiving salutations from all in every respect. Arjuna's > repeated use of the indeclinable `Namah' with the adverbial compound > `Sahasrakrtvah' shows his deep reverence for the Lord. It should be > pointed out that Arjuna's reverence was mixed with fear and that may > explain why he did not feel tired of bowing to Him, and wanted to go > on with his salutations. Namaste all. May I supplement the above with a few observations on the Sanskrit word 'Namah'? 'Namah' means 'Salutation'. But that is only the thin end of the wedge. The connotation of the Sanskrit word 'namah' is of far greater significance. There is an in-built connotation of 'na mama' in the word 'namah' . 'na mama' means 'not mine'. Nothing is mine. Everything is Yours, Oh Lord, is the connotation. So when we do the 'namah' (salutation) to the Lord, it means we are placing everything we have been calling as ours at the feet of the Lord. This is one sure way of practising the concept of advaita in the real world. In Krishna Yajur Veda (Black Resecension of Yajur Veda) there is a whole chapter (4th Kanda, 5th chapter) called the 'Rudra-prashna'. It is a repeated prostration to the Lord Rudra-Shiva. 300 different names of the Lord are mentioned and at each mention of the name in the dative case the word 'namah' is there in the text itself. That is why the chapter itself is called 'namakam'. This chapter is one of the most important chapters in all the four Vedas. It is recited in all ritual worship, in temples, in homes, in congregations and during public religious performances. The whole chapter is repeated 11 times, by 11 or multiples of 11 people, for 11 days in a row and the whole process is repeated periodically. All of this because of the inbuilt meaning of prostration and surrender in the word 'namah'. Arjuna naturally knows this and so says " I shall say namah to you thousand times " . The Taittiriya Upanishad extols the greatness of the word 'namah' as follows. *taM nama ity-upAsIta / namyante asmai kAmAH * meaning, " Worship Him (That) with 'namaH'. Then such a one will have at one's feet all Desires " . In other words, if we worship the LMord with the word 'namah', Desires (that usually haunt us and drag us down the spiritual ladder) will bow at our feet and obey us. This is the Upanishadic sanction for the use of the word 'namaH'. The last verse in IshAvAsyopanishad (which contains only 18 verses) emphasizes the importance of the word namah in the verse which itself is a prayer to be uttered at the moment of death. *agne naya supathA rAye asmAn vishvAni deva vayunAni vidvAn / yuyodhyasmat juhurAnam-eno bhUyishhTAnte nama uktim vidhema //* This happens not only as the last verse of the Upanishad, but also as the last word of the entire Shukla Yajur Veda (White Rescension of Yajur Veda). Meaning: Oh Fire-God, Show us the right path, lead us to eternal freedom, Thou who knowest all. Preserve us from the deceitful attraction of sin. To thee we offer our salutations with devotion, again and again. That is why we say 'namaste' (namah te - Prostrations to You)) when we greet somebody in the Indian Hindu fashion. The namah is not only to the outer personality that stands before us but more so to the Inner Spirit that manifests in the person standing before us. PraNAms to all advaitins. Namah to everybody, again and again. profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 advaitin , " Ram Chandran " <ramvchandran wrote: > In verse 39, Arjuna identifies the Lord with Vayu, Yama and other > gods worthy of salutation. Arjuna further states that all those other > gods represents only a fraction of His being. Therefore, He alone is > worthy of receiving salutations from all in every respect. Arjuna's > repeated use of the indeclinable `Namah' with the adverbial compound > `Sahasrakrtvah' shows his deep reverence for the Lord. It should be praNams Shri Ram Chandranji and Professorji, By using the word Namah so many times, it also seems that Arjuna is exactly following the injunction that the Lord gave in the verse 9.34. There, the Lord used the word namaskuru, and clearly said that the devotee should bow down to Him. 9.34. Having your mind fixed on Me, be devoted to Me, sacrifice to Me, and *bow down* to Me. By concentrating your mind and accepting Me as the supreme Goal, you shall surely attain Me who am thus the Self. Arjuna, being the good student he is, did exactly as he was told, when the occasion came. Two etymological observations: According to these links, http://vedabase.net/n/namaskuru http://vedabase.net/n/namah it seems that (1.) there are the *only two* occasions when the Lord gives the instruction to bow down to Him by using the word namaskuru and (2.) this chapter (11) is the only location where the word namah is used in the whole of Gita. Can the scholars of this group kindly confirm these observations? Assuming that there are only two references by the Lord, the other reference is in 18.65: 18.65. Have your mind fixed on Me, be My devotee, be a sacrificer to Me and *bow down* to Me. (Thus) you will come to Me alone. (This) truth do I pormise to you. (For) you are dear to Me. The contrast of Arjuna's reactions to these two (similar sounding) injunctions of the Lord cannot be starker. For the former, he says (in chapter 10) " please show me your glories " . This is because, his curiosity has yet been satisfied. For the latter injunction, one of the first things he says is " I will do as you want me to do " 18.73, using the words karishye-vachaham-tava. Why is there a difference in the reactions of Arjuna? Because in chapters 13-15, he had his ignorance removed by the gyana teaching of the Lord (or the asi of tat-tvam-asi). His curiosity has been satiated. Also, the Lord followed up 18.65 with 18.66, where He used gives the Sharanagati injunction (the third secret of Gita). Is this reasoning correct? Kindly correct any mistakes in this reasoning I join Professorji in saying to everyone Namah to everyone and everything. Ramakrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Namaskar to Profvkji and Sri Ramakrishna: I want to bring to the attention of a lengthy article on " Namo Namah " by Paramacharya Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi of Kanchi Kamakoti Peetam which is available at: http://www.kamakoti.org/miscl/namoh1.html In the following paragraph, Paramacharya articulates the reasoning for everyone of us to do namaskara: " I have dwelt at length on the greatness and importance of Namaskara (Namaskara Mahamityam). You may wonder why I chose this topic to talk on. One respectable person was referring to the sadness to the steady decline among people in general in the qualities of humility and reverence, in vinaya bhava. I started thinking about it and possible antidote for it. I thought of placing before you the outcome of that contemplation. It seems that ever since loud voices have started being made about equality, freedom, self-respect and so on, decline in the wealth called vinaya started, leading us to ways of indiscipline and violence. Talking about " rights " and " rights " , we are led into " fights " . Viewed in the economic and social context, it is not as if that these new perceptions are without a justification. I accept that without any objection. But everything must operate within limits. If the new approaches are actualized in practice within properly defined limits, things will be in their places, the present day condition of calls and other social conflicts will ease and conditions for peace, brotherhood and unity will be created. How to regulate, how to set limits in these matters? The only way is to increase the wealth of " vinaya " in the whole of society. Will economic wealth alone give fullness to life? Certainly not. We have to seek spiritual wealth and with the help of that, regulate the pursuit for economic wealth. Vinaya is the only route to spiritual wealth. How do you get vinaya? Impelled with the basic desire to seek vinaya, seeking the saints and doing namaskara to them is the only way. This kriya will help raise, from what is already " basic " (latent, dormant, underlying) in us, a visible edifice. The timeless and enduring living tradition of this country has the power to convert and soften the most stubborn conceit and self-arrogation. If a little effort is forthcoming, in course of time, desirable changes in mentality will be felt. " Paramacharya's observations are quite profound and he concludes with the statement below: " You have the namaskara bhagya, which I did not and cannot get. I pray to Narayana, saying " Namo Namah " , that all of you may make full use of the namaskara bhagya, and receive the highest blessings in life. And I do namaskara to HIM. " Namo Namah! Ram Chandran advaitin , " Ramakrishna Upadrasta " <ramakrsn wrote: > > > Is this reasoning correct? Kindly correct any mistakes > in this reasoning > > I join Professorji in saying to everyone Namah to > everyone and everything. > Ramakrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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