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H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy

Pranams to all.

 

 

advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote:

" My own view is that mithyAtva is possibly the single

most important concept in the teaching of advaita and yet I encounter

whole books on advaita that do not even mention it! "

 

Dear Sri Dennis Waite,

 

In so many places in his commentaries, Sri Shankara has written

about 'the mithyatva '. i have collected a couple of such passages for

my manana and if permission is granted I will post those

transliterated excerpts. I cannot translate them to English because

my command over the English language is not good enough to bring out

the correct meaning and the true spirit of the original writing in

Sanskrit.

 

The reason why a mumukshu should go back to Sri Shankara'S

commentaries is that , Sri Shankara in an unambigious and rational way

has given out the PRISTINE PURE doctrine of Advaitha as well as the

methodology for realizing it in the most simple and direct way. As an

example,a study and cognition of the contents of The commentary to the

4th mantra chapter 2 of Kenopanishad is enough for a sincere mumukshu

to realize his true nature and abide as Atman/Brahman. My firm

understanding is that in Sri Shankara's commentaries there is complete

wholeness and study of other works become redundant to a mumukshu.

 

With warm and respectful regards,

Sreenivasa Murthy.

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Dear Sri Murthy,

 

 

 

I agree that *ideally* one would always refer to Shankara for the

authoritative statements. Unfortunately, I think a very significant basic

understanding of advaita is required before being able to appreciate these.

Also, of course, most seekers do not have the command of Sanskrit to be able

even to attempt to understand the untranslated original. This is why access

to more general books on advaita is needed by most, in which the fundamental

concepts are expressed in modern language and idiom.

 

 

 

By all means post your excerpts but I am bound to point out that few members

will understand them if they are not translated (including myself!). If the

extracts are from Shankara, I would have thought that suitable translations

must be available somewhere on the net. I must also say that your command of

the English language is clearly infinitely better than most members command

of Sanskrit!

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Dennis

 

 

 

advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf

Of narayana145

26 January 2008 10:20

advaitin

Re: What is self realization ??

 

 

 

H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy

Pranams to all.

 

advaitin <advaitin%40> ,

" Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote:

" My own view is that mithyAtva is possibly the single

most important concept in the teaching of advaita and yet I encounter

whole books on advaita that do not even mention it! "

 

Dear Sri Dennis Waite,

 

In so many places in his commentaries, Sri Shankara has written

about 'the mithyatva '. i have collected a couple of such passages for

my manana and if permission is granted I will post those

transliterated excerpts. I cannot translate them to English because

my command over the English language is not good enough to bring out

the correct meaning and the true spirit of the original writing in

Sanskrit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste,

 

In a preceeding post Shri Waite mentionned that a post had many

Sanskrit words which turn, members like me, away from the text, for a

lack of understanding of the words used.

 

Could I humbly suggest to sometime add an english translation of

these words to enable those like me who, sadly, don't give the

attention it deserve for a lack of understanding.

 

For example, in this post, " mithyAtva is mentionned as being " the

single most important concept " and I do not know what this is.

 

Same with the last part of the post below, which leaves me without a

hint on what this text of Sri Shankara is, or even where I could read

it, or what it is talking about.

 

quote:

" " " " As an example,a study and cognition of the contents of The

commentary to the 4th mantra chapter 2 of Kenopanishad is enough for

a sincere mumukshu to realize his true nature and abide as

Atman/Brahman. " " "

 

If there is a place where I could find a translation of these words,

concepts, that would also be helpfull.

 

Namaste

 

PS. Forgive me for letting the text below, which I left so that it

would help understand what I am talking about

 

 

advaitin , " narayana145 " <narayana145

wrote:

>

> H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy

> Pranams to all.

>

>

> advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite@> wrote:

> " My own view is that mithyAtva is possibly the single

> most important concept in the teaching of advaita and yet I

encounter

> whole books on advaita that do not even mention it! "

>

> Dear Sri Dennis Waite,

>

> In so many places in his commentaries, Sri Shankara has

written

> about 'the mithyatva '. i have collected a couple of such passages

for

> my manana and if permission is granted I will post those

> transliterated excerpts. I cannot translate them to English because

> my command over the English language is not good enough to bring out

> the correct meaning and the true spirit of the original writing in

> Sanskrit.

>

> The reason why a mumukshu should go back to Sri Shankara'S

> commentaries is that , Sri Shankara in an unambigious and rational

way

> has given out the PRISTINE PURE doctrine of Advaitha as well as the

> methodology for realizing it in the most simple and direct way. As

an

> example,a study and cognition of the contents of The commentary to

the

> 4th mantra chapter 2 of Kenopanishad is enough for a sincere

mumukshu

> to realize his true nature and abide as Atman/Brahman. My firm

> understanding is that in Sri Shankara's commentaries there is

complete

> wholeness and study of other works become redundant to a mumukshu.

>

> With warm and respectful regards,

> Sreenivasa Murthy.

>

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Dear Nonduel,

 

 

 

I apologise for being guilty of the same 'crime' of which I am accusing

others. Unfortunately, it is necessary to use Sanskrit words from time to

time because there are no equivalent English words - mithyA is one of these.

 

 

 

There is a section at my website containing some 'definitions of key terms

and concepts' -

http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/definitions/definitions.htm. These

originate mainly from last year's attempt to provide a definition per week

from within the group. It was not too successful, unfortunately, but mithyA

is one of the words defined (mithyA is the adjective and mithyAtva the

noun).

 

 

 

I am also in the process of adding one page per week (approximately) of

dictionary definitions of key Sanskrit words to the site. This has only just

begun so will take most of this year to complete. See

http://www.advaita.org.uk/sanskrit/sanskrit.htm#dictionary.

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Dennis

 

 

 

advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf

Of nonduel

26 January 2008 13:47

advaitin

Re: What is self realization ??

 

 

 

Namaste,

 

In a preceeding post Shri Waite mentionned that a post had many

Sanskrit words which turn, members like me, away from the text, for a

lack of understanding of the words used.

 

Could I humbly suggest to sometime add an english translation of

these words to enable those like me who, sadly, don't give the

attention it deserve for a lack of understanding.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Dennis,

 

No need to appologies, I only wanted to comfirm that I agreed with

your post, that I was an example, of someone who had difficulties in

understanding

 

I still would like to know more about the text mentionned in post

32951

 

Namaste

 

 

 

advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote:

>

> Dear Nonduel,

>

>

>

> I apologise for being guilty of the same 'crime' of which I am

accusing

> others. Unfortunately, it is necessary to use Sanskrit words from

time to

> time because there are no equivalent English words - mithyA is one

of these.

>

>

>

> There is a section at my website containing some 'definitions of

key terms

> and concepts' -

> http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/definitions/definitions.htm.

These

> originate mainly from last year's attempt to provide a definition

per week

> from within the group. It was not too successful, unfortunately,

but mithyA

> is one of the words defined (mithyA is the adjective and mithyAtva

the

> noun).

>

>

>

> I am also in the process of adding one page per week

(approximately) of

> dictionary definitions of key Sanskrit words to the site. This has

only just

> begun so will take most of this year to complete. See

> http://www.advaita.org.uk/sanskrit/sanskrit.htm#dictionary.

>

>

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Dennis

>

>

>

> advaitin [advaitin ] On

Behalf

> Of nonduel

> 26 January 2008 13:47

> advaitin

> Re: What is self realization ??

>

>

>

> Namaste,

>

> In a preceeding post Shri Waite mentionned that a post had many

> Sanskrit words which turn, members like me, away from the text, for

a

> lack of understanding of the words used.

>

> Could I humbly suggest to sometime add an english translation of

> these words to enable those like me who, sadly, don't give the

> attention it deserve for a lack of understanding.

 

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Respected Shastri-ji

Saashtang pranams.

Thank you for your (undeservingly) kind words.

 

Truly it has been said

durlabhaM trayamevaitaddevaanugrahahetukam.h .

manushhyatvaM mumukshutvaM mahaapurushhasa.nshrayaH

 

and it this satsang's e-prarabdha to be blessed by a great scholar

such as yourself staying so actively involved in it everyday. Which

group would have a " authentic " translation of a book like the

mahavakyaratnavali become freely available in regular instalments!

My salutations to you again.

 

I shall also heed your words and try my best to stay more active in

the group's discussions - it is wonderful of course to simply read

many of the scholarly posts here.

 

I also want to acknowledge the kind words of appreciation of Dennis-

ji, Sada-ji, Harsha-ji, and others. Dennis-ji, is there a limit to

how often one can apologize for the same crime? No translations and

no transliterations! Please let me know if you need it with

translations and I can send it to you either in a private email or

repost it to the group after editing it. Trouble is - like you

discovered with the term mithya - there is sometimes no " easy "

English translations - such as even " sat " and " asat " - true and

false dont really do justice do these terms, do they?

 

Hari OM

Shri Gurubhyoh namah

Shyam

 

advaitin , " snsastri " <sn.sastri wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Shyam,

> Your post is most wonderful and full of substance. I agree with

all

> that you have said. I feel that you should send such posts more

> often. I do not now have the physical energy to type out such long

> notes or enter into arguments. I enjoyed reading your note.

> Best wishes,

> S.N.Sastri

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Dear Shyam-ji,

 

 

 

If you are happy to provide translations (and I am sure that 'to the best of

your ability' will be more than adequate!), I suggest that you repost. We

may all then benefit from re-reading! (The page at the website will be 4 - 5

weeks hence as there is a queue!)

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Dennis

 

 

 

advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf

Of shyam_md

28 January 2008 18:54

advaitin

Re: What is self realization ??

 

 

 

Please let me know if you need it with

translations and I can send it to you either in a private email or

repost it to the group after editing it. Trouble is - like you

discovered with the term mithya - there is sometimes no " easy "

English translations - such as even " sat " and " asat " - true and

false dont really do justice do these terms, do they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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