Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 At the request of a few interested persons, four short one-page articles were prepared explaining some of the concepts of Quantum Physics and Vedanta in simple words without technical complications. The four articles are: 1. Reality and Quantum Physics. 2. We Are All An Entangled Web. 3. The Weird World of Small Things. 4. Invisible Energy in Empty Space. All the four were published in CONSECRATION in Sept - Nov 2007 issues. If any of our friends are interested to have a look at these or offer comment, a link will be given. Thanks and regards, ramesam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dear Ramesam, Please provide the link for the articles mentioned. Regards UHS - vijaya advaitin Thursday, January 24, 2008 10:59 AM Quantum Physics and Vedanta At the request of a few interested persons, four short one-page articles were prepared explaining some of the concepts of Quantum Physics and Vedanta in simple words without technical complications. The four articles are: 1. Reality and Quantum Physics. 2. We Are All An Entangled Web. 3. The Weird World of Small Things. 4. Invisible Energy in Empty Space. All the four were published in CONSECRATION in Sept - Nov 2007 issues. If any of our friends are interested to have a look at these or offer comment, a link will be given. Thanks and regards, ramesam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Heads up here... I am also interested... On 1/24/08, UH SUBRAMANYA <subramanya.uh wrote: > > Dear Ramesam, > Please provide the link for the articles mentioned. > Regards > UHS > > - > vijaya > advaitin <advaitin%40> > Thursday, January 24, 2008 10:59 AM > Quantum Physics and Vedanta > > At the request of a few interested persons, four short one-page > articles were prepared explaining some of the concepts of Quantum > Physics and Vedanta in simple words without technical complications. > The four articles are: > > 1. Reality and Quantum Physics. > 2. We Are All An Entangled Web. > 3. The Weird World of Small Things. > 4. Invisible Energy in Empty Space. > > All the four were published in CONSECRATION in Sept - Nov 2007 issues. > If any of our friends are interested to have a look at these or offer > comment, a link will be given. > > Thanks and regards, > ramesam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 advaitin , " vijaya " <ramesamvijaya wrote: > > At the request of a few interested persons, four short one-page > articles were prepared explaining some of the concepts of Quantum > Physics and Vedanta in simple words without technical complications. > The four articles are: > > 1. Reality and Quantum Physics. > 2. We Are All An Entangled Web. > 3. The Weird World of Small Things. > 4. Invisible Energy in Empty Space. > > All the four were published in CONSECRATION in Sept - Nov 2007 issues. > If any of our friends are interested to have a look at these or offer > comment, a link will be given. > > Thanks and regards, > ramesam > Namaste. Yes, I am also interested. PraNAms to all advaitins. profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 advaitin , " vijaya " <ramesamvijaya wrote: > > If any of our friends are interested to have a look at these or offer > comment, a link will be given. > > Thanks and regards, > ramesam > Ramesam garu, Please provide the link. I am very much interested. I also read the content at this link on the above subject http://faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness/ It is actually a course work. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dennis-ji, I think we discussed this Sobottka long back. Can we have your thoughts? This looks like an old site recently updated. PraNAms. Madathil Nair ________________ advaitin , " Sudesh Pillutla " <sudeshpillutla wrote: > > advaitin , " vijaya " <ramesamvijaya@> wrote: > > > > If any of our friends are interested to have a look at these or offer > > comment, a link will be given. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > ramesam > > > > Ramesam garu, > > Please provide the link. I am very much interested. > > I also read the content at this link on the above subject > > http://faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness/ > > It is actually a course work. > > Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Will be grateful if you give us the link and info on CONSECRATION. Gopal. advaitin: ramesamvijaya: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 05:29:21 +0000 Quantum Physics and Vedanta At the request of a few interested persons, four short one-page articles were prepared explaining some of the concepts of Quantum Physics and Vedanta in simple words without technical complications. The four articles are:1. Reality and Quantum Physics.2. We Are All An Entangled Web.3. The Weird World of Small Things.4. Invisible Energy in Empty Space.All the four were published in CONSECRATION in Sept - Nov 2007 issues. If any of our friends are interested to have a look at these or offer comment, a link will be given.Thanks and regards,ramesam _______________ Post ads for free - to sell, rent or even buy.www.yello.in http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=186 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Hi Nair-ji, I downloaded the Sobottka document quite a long time ago - the version I printed off was June 2000. I'm afraid that I don't have much time for attempts to align science with advaita. My opinion is that claims that quantum mechanics and advaita are saying the same thing rely on the fact that very few people actually understand quantum mechanics! Accordingly, I did not read the quantum and scientific bits too closely. However, when he talks about advaita, it is clear that he understands quite a lot about this and his explanations are very good. Anyway, that is the opinion that I formed based, as I say, on a not-too-detailed reading of the document at that time. He has apparently updated it since then (possibly several times). He may well use it as part of a college course. It is very laudable that he makes it freely available on the net. For those who are interested, I would certainly recommend it, with the above-noted provisos. Best wishes, Dennis advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf Of Madathil Rajendran Nair 24 January 2008 12:27 advaitin Re: Quantum Physics and Vedanta Dennis-ji, I think we discussed this Sobottka long back. Can we have your thoughts? This looks like an old site recently updated. PraNAms. Madathil Nair ________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Quote: advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote: >........ very few people actually understand quantum mechanics! ........ It is very laudable that he makes it freely available on the net. For those who are interested, I would certainly recommend it, with the above-noted provisos. Unquote. Dr. D. Waite is absolutely right when he says that very few people understand Quantum Physics. Stalwart Physicisits and Nobel Laureates Drs. Bohr, Feynman themselves said so! Prof. S. Sobottka's work does seem to be very comprehensive and it covers a lot of issues. As he said in his Foreword to the work, " Sages are not usually interested in teaching the principles of nonduality in such a systematic, logical way since such a conceptual system can be a prison for the mind, leading it to think that it can transcend itself (escape from its self-imposed prison) merely by mastering the system. Nevertheless, for teaching purposes, I wrote a set of notes for these seminars also. " His effort is not only laudable, it is highly commendable that he spreads the message freely on the net. I am yet to read the text fully. But I am a bit disappointed (just an English expression, nothing to do with my state of mind) that in the " Dialogue in Consciousness " , he starts off with an apriori definition or given assumptions on Reality (1 d) and for no reason suddenly brings in the attributes of Good and Love (10 f). May be they are dealt in detail later on. The four articles of mine were at a very elementary level aimed at non-physicists. They try to explain the concepts of Quantum Physics just to quench the curiosity of a few who are interested because, as Dr. Waite indicated, many persons relate Quantum Physics and Vedanta because both are not easily understood. The first three articles of mine appeared in the Sept-Oct 2007 issue of Cosnecration at p: 26, 34 and 43 respectively. The fourth article is not yet uploaded. The link for the site is: http://www.lordsrikrishna.net/Samplearticles.htm <http://www.lordsrikrishna.net/Samplearticles.htm> I replied through personal email to all the friends who requested for the info. and sent them a word doc file of the four articles. I started this thread. I am benefited from the info given by Shri S. Pillutla. Quite a few Vishnurupas kindly took forward and sustained it this far. Perhaps now a Maheshwara (who knows how to do it) can help dissolve this thread. Thanks and best regards to all, ramesam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 advaitin , " vijaya " <ramesamvijaya wrote: > > At the request of a few interested persons, four short one-page > articles were prepared explaining some of the concepts of Quantum > Physics and Vedanta in simple words without technical complications. > The four articles are: > > 1. Reality and Quantum Physics. > 2. We Are All An Entangled Web. > 3. The Weird World of Small Things. > 4. Invisible Energy in Empty Space. > > All the four were published in CONSECRATION in Sept - Nov 2007 issues. > If any of our friends are interested to have a look at these or offer > comment, a link will be given. > > Thanks and regards, > ramesam > Hello, namsakaram, Shall be thankful if you can pl let me know the link as I am keen to read and understand. thanks n regds ram mohan 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Ramesam-ji, Quantum mechanics - or at least the 'thought experiments' relating to it, as opposed to the actual mathematics - is a fascinating subject. But my understanding is as follows - please correct me if I am wrong: Such aspects as indeterminacy, action at a distance and such like strange behaviour apply *only* to subatomic particles such as electrons, that behave like waves as well as like particles. When we consider gross physical objects, such as Mr. Singh of your fascinating articles, then Newtonian mechanics provide a perfectly acceptable approximation of behaviour. It is no longer the case that we don't know where Mr. Singh is and ideas such as interactions with Mr. Singh on the other side of the galaxy belong to the realm of overactive imagination and not to actual, day to day interactions. It is analogous to the idea (was it Hume's?) that cause and effect only relate to (memory of) what has happened previously. Thus, it is perfectly possible that, next time that we put the kettle onto the gas-ring to make a cup of coffee, it might freeze instead of boil. But of course no one thinks for a micro-second that this might actually happen and, at the macro level, it never does. The point is that the overwhelming statistical probabilities make the sub-atomic quantum effects irrelevant. Best wishes, Dennis advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf Of ramesam 25 January 2008 02:29 advaitin Re: Quantum Physics and Vedanta Dr. D. Waite is absolutely right when he says that very few people understand Quantum Physics. Stalwart Physicisits and Nobel Laureates Drs. Bohr, Feynman themselves said so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 advaitin , " ramesam " <ramesamvijaya wrote: > Dr. D. Waite is absolutely right when he says that very few people > understand Quantum Physics. Stalwart Physicisits and Nobel > Laureates Drs. Bohr, Feynman themselves said so! That precisely seems to be the difference between Quantum Physics and Vedanta. While few people, howsoever small, understand Quantum Physics, *none* whatsoever understand Vedanta! Why? Because the scriptures say it cannot be comprehended by mind or speech #avaang maanasa gOcaraM#. There is a humorous saying in Telugu that says, Vedanta is that which neither the one who speaks about it understands, nor the one who listens! Then of what use are the scriptures? To prepare the mind to transcend it. Scriptures are words too, but words that ask to go beyond them. They are attempts to express the inexpressible, describe the indescribable and explain the inexplicable. Still, mind is fascinated. That is why I am writing and we seem to be writing! Shankara poignantly and eloquently cries in Sivanandalahari: ------------------------- " mE hRdaya kapi matyaMta capalaM dRDhaM bhaktyaa bhadhaa Siva bhavad dheenaM kuru vibhO " " My mind is like a monkey, Wanders without control in all directions, Tie it with rope of Thy affection " ------------------------- Hari OM! -Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 advaitin , " Srinivas Nagulapalli " <srini_nagul wrote: > There is a humorous saying in Telugu that says, Vedanta is that which > neither the one who speaks about it understands, nor the one who > listens! > > Then of what use are the scriptures? To prepare the mind to > transcend it. Scriptures are words too, but words that ask to > go beyond them. They are attempts to express the inexpressible, > describe the indescribable and explain the inexplicable. > > Still, mind is fascinated. That is why I am writing and we seem to > be writing! > this is worth repeating! OM svaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote: > Quote: Quantum mechanics ............is a fascinating subject. But my understanding is as follows - please correct me if I am wrong: Unquote. Respected Sir, 1. At the outset let me please say that I have neither the competence nor expertise, let alone merit and proficiency, to arrogate myself to correct you. Quote: Such aspects as indeterminacy, action at a distance and such like strange behaviour apply *only* to subatomic particles such as electrons, that behave like waves as well as like particles. When we consider gross physical objects, such as Mr. Singh of your fascinating articles, then Newtonian mechanics provide a perfectly acceptable approximation of behaviour. ..............The point is that the overwhelming statistical probabilities make the sub-atomic quantum effects irrelevant. Unquote. Having said so, I shall try to express what comes to my mind subject to ratification by better-informed experts. 2. I would quickly like to add that I did try to show in the articles the `relevance' of probabilistic quantum behaviour of the subatomic particles in our day to day life citing examples of real- life instruments/gadgets that work based on quantum phenomena. I tried to point out that quantum physics was not all an esoteric theory merely serving intellectual excitement. 3. In addition, and perhaps more importantly, the question of linking the microscopic probabilistic behavior to macroscale real- life, as was raised by you, has implicitly many more intimate and intricately related questions behind it. 4. The greatest minds in Physics in the world today are seized with these problems. Stunning discoveries may happen any moment now or the haze may continue for many more years. The related questions can be grouped into those that pertain to: TOE TOM TOU. Theory of Everything (TOE): A unified theory of quantum mechanics and gravity (relating the small with the big) is being attempted through two routes – through `Loop Quantum Gravity' theories of Abhay Ashtekar and Lee Smolin and others; and, M-theory and Superstrings by a galaxy of very brilliant Physicists. The unpalatable probabilistic aspect was given a more deterministic approach by Hugh Everett long back and subsequently developed by Duetsch and others. However, this became non-fashionable later. It is being revived in a different form, thanks to the string theories, as `landscapes' by Susskind and others. This, in turn, however, raises the debate of `anthropocentrism'. After all, `life', as we know it and even the universe that we are aware of, functions in a very narrow window of variabilities. Change the temperature or oxygen levels or even the blood glucose levels beyond a narrow range, (human) life does not exist. Similarly change the cosmological constant or the weight of electron or its charge by a wee bit, the universe does not exist. Does this mean that we see a universe because we are there? Are we unique or are there other universes and dimensions unknown to us? Theory of Mind (TOM): A theory of mind is still under development. The question here is not only about our mind but about our ability to read other's mind. Another very important question here is related to `consciousness', its biological and evolutionary role and the concept of 'self'. Even if we can understand `self' in terms of action by sets of neuronal networks and (also `mirror neurons' as proposed by Ramachandran), as on date we are unable to understand how the electrical and chemical signals are felt as `qualia'. Again, significant discoveries may be around the corner in this field too. Theory of Universe (TOU): Any theory of universe or multiverse cannot be satisfactory if it deals only with the physical. It should be able to explain or constitute as an integral part, `consciousness' too as suggested by a host of cognitive scientists and physicists. Metaphorically speaking, in short, let me say that we are witnessing the development of a new " Upanishad. " It is still being written by great scientists (sages). The last word is not as yet out (the conclusive theory is still to emerge) as great discoveries (revelations) may suddenly dawn on those thinkers. In the meanwhile, I submit, that more ordinary individuals like me may also contemplate on those issues. A striking solution to TOE, TOM or TOU may not come to our mind. But we may, may, suddenly see some inexplicable dissolution of all these problems. Without wanting to suggest any egoistic attitude, I would like to humbly assure that it does happen to all of us and is in fact happening without our ego being aware! That's the spirit behind all these attempts. I hope I have been able to convey some `flavour' of that spirit which it is easy to misunderstand and I appeal not to do so. with thanks and warm regards, ramesam (P.S. May use this space for a request? I am receiving many more requests for a file of the four articles of mine than I anticipated. Is it worthwhile to include them as an essay at one place at advaita.org? Thanks and regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Dear Sri Ramesam, Many thanks for the elaborate explanation (which goes way over my head). We must stop the discussion there as we have transgressed the guidelines for the group! By all means, we should schedule your essays for publishing at advaita.org.uk since I agree that many are interested in these thought-provoking ideas (including myself). We will discuss this further off-line. Best wishes, Dennis advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf Of ramesam 27 January 2008 04:00 advaitin Re: Quantum Physics and Vedanta advaitin <advaitin%40> , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote: > Quote: Quantum mechanics ............is a fascinating subject. But my understanding is as follows - please correct me if I am wrong: Unquote. Respected Sir, 1. At the outset let me please say that I have neither the competence nor expertise, let alone merit and proficiency, to arrogate myself to correct you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Namaste. Although I couldn't access the links provided by you, your views are really interesting. You seem to be quite knowledgeable in both vedanta and quantum physics. Scientists get fixated with anthropocentrism. Vedanta relates to Consciousness. End of anthrops on this tiny cosmic particle called earth doesn't mean the end of Consciousness. If anything at all survives (matter, energy or whatsoever) that would need an intelligence to appreciate its existence. Even its non-existence! That intelligence need not be anthropocentric or even biocentric. Consciousness will tick on. We are Consciousness and what does it matter whether it expresses through anthrops or non-anthrops or even inorganic material. There are infinite number of scenarios possible. I would be much interested to read your articles when Dennis-ji puts them up at his site. PraNAms. Mdathil Nair _________________ advaitin , " ramesam " <ramesamvijaya wrote: ..... > This, in turn, however, raises the debate of `anthropocentrism'. > After all, `life', as we know it and even the universe that we are > aware of, functions in a very narrow window of variabilities. Change > the temperature or oxygen levels or even the blood glucose levels > beyond a narrow range, (human) life does not exist. Similarly change > the cosmological constant or the weight of electron or its charge by > a wee bit, the universe does not exist. Does this mean that we see a > universe because we are there? Are we unique or are there other > universes and dimensions unknown to us? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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