Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 List Moderators' Note: Members are once again reminded not to keep the entire meessage of the previous poster while sending the reply. All the previous posts are available at the archive and no need to send it again. Instead, just cut and paste only the relevent part as it is done here: This warning applies to both new and existing members. Thanks again for your cooperation in keeping the message crip and compact. ========================== Hello Sir Why complicate matters? The essense of ego is claiming everything making a false center. Around this center -ego- life revolves. Man is originally only a name with no substance! A name to be known from other names. But for man to be; to be something, he has to claim doership. From doership, arises enjoyership. This is the mainstay of the ego. Doership is the belief with sense that I do something and the resulting satisfaction and gratification from this action. All these three phenomena happen as One Occurrence; I have dissected them for the sake of understanding. Without claiming doreship Who Am I? hsin In advaitin , kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada wrote: > > 6. Fundamental Human Problem > > We have discussed two aspects, the mind and the subtle > body. Of the mind, the important component is Ego, > involving `I am this', which is the essence of the > individual `I' with which I do all the transactions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 > Hello Sir > Why complicate matters? The essense of ego is > claiming everything > making a false center. .... I have > dissected them for the sake of understanding. > Without claiming doreship Who Am I? > > hsin Yes Hsin - PraNAms. Good for you sir. If what you said is understood and is crystal clear, we have understood the problem at hand. There will not be any more complications with the life too. There seems to be big gap between the cup and the lip. Lot of slips do occur since this understanding as a thought is one thing and assimilating as a fact is another. Hence the rest of the explanations. Yes who is claiming the doer ship - who am I? - is it something to do or something to understand - and who understands it - Does the consciousness I am need to understand I am or does the Ego need to understand that I am not. For that only one has to stay tuned to the series more carefully without complicating the life further. If you have already solved the ego problem, please accept my congratulations. Hari Om! Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 List Moderators' Note: Welcome to the list and we look forward to your active participation with thoughtful comments/questions. ========================== Sadananda Comment between lines. > Yes Hsin - PraNAms. hsin:Please, I do not inderstand the language, what is the meaning of " PraNAms " . >There seems to be big gap between the > cup and the lip. hsin:True, but to assume that there is a cup that you want to measure is the mark of the ego. > Yes who is claiming the doer ship - who am I? - is it > something to do or something to understand hsin: It is something to BE. SEEING is UNDERSTANDING is BEING. >- and who> understands it - Does the consciousness I am need to > understand I am or does the Ego need to understand > that I am not. hsin: To BE, means that Ego is not. > For that only one has to stay tuned to > the series more carefully without complicating the > life further. If you have already solved the ego > problem, please accept my congratulations. hsin: When Ego - I mean by Ego, the ego/world complex- the ego and its world are one unit; when Ego is seen as useless,not even useless but ego/world complex is Detremintal; it will be dropped by itself. No need to do anything. Thank you Sadananda. > Hari Om! hsin: Please, the meaning of " Hari Om " . > Sadananda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 --- hsin_shang <hsin_shang wrote: > > > Yes Hsin - PraNAms. > > hsin:Please, I do not inderstand the language, what is the > meaning of " PraNAms " . PraNAms - is salutations to you sir. Since you are nothing but expression of all pervading reality or truth or God, it is prostrations to that life principle or the expression of that life principle in you. It is way of greetings to recognize that holiness in you which is your essence. > >There seems to be big gap between the > > cup and the lip. > > hsin:True, but to assume that there is a cup that you want to > measure is the mark of the ego. You are right - now who is doing the measuring of the ego? It is again ego. Every egotistical person claims that he does not have any ego? And who says that - it is that very ego that is denying its existence and in the very process of denial confirming its existence. > > > Yes who is claiming the doer ship - who am I? - is it > > something to do or something to understand > > hsin: It is something to BE. SEEING is UNDERSTANDING is BEING. Yes - you are right again - and who says it is understanding - that being need to BE - it is being any way we recognizes or not. And again who is the one who seeing which you say is understanding and being - Who sees the being - or who needs the understanding. Does Being need to understand itself or see itself or do anything with itself. Here is where we are transgressing between Ego and the Being because of which the very ego also exists. Hence care is required to discriminate between the two - that is called viveka or discrimination of eternal vs ephemeral - and who does that discrimination? Is it that Being or is it the ego? Please think it over and also who does that thinking too. Hence Bhagavan Ramana says analyze the analyst. > hsin: To BE, means that Ego is not. And sir who says that - is ego not existing or is it non-existent entity? If it is also existing entity since we are not talking about non-existent egos - which is to be and not to be? > hsin: When Ego - I mean by Ego, the ego/world complex- the ego and > its world are one unit; when Ego is seen as useless,not even useless > but ego/world complex is Detremintal; it will be dropped by itself. > No need to do anything. Hsin - please think again - who says all these things that ego/world is complex and detrimental. Why should any thing in the universe detrimental and to whom? How can it drop by itself - and to whom it drops? If it drops by itself - then every body would have realized - does it take time to drop by itself. No Hsin - Vedanta says ego is the product of ignorance - No ignorance can go by itself - Otherwise I would have become expert in many many subjects by just sitting around. Only knowledge can remove ignorance - any ignorance. Ego will not go and what ever you DO it reinforces itself and not doing is also doing just nothing only - Lot of vagabonds do nothing. But they may have a bigger ego too. Ego manifests in doing, not doing and doing any other way. Ego is false guy and anything we do only reinforces its presence that includes not doing too. Only way to get rid of the false guy is to expose him that he is false - that is done by inquiry only. Hence the series. Only inquiring the nature of the ego one can understands its falsity and the trick it place to watch it carefully - not not doing anything. > Thank you Sadananda. Thanks to you too. God bless you. > hsin: Please, the meaning of " Hari Om " . It is a way of greeting - Hari stands for Lord Vishnu and Om! is the sound symbol for the truth or realty that covers all the words starting from a to z. It is recognizing that whatever I am doing is only greeting the Lord in various names and forms including in the name of Hsin. Some one said it is an abbreviation for Hurry Home. Hari Om! Sadananda > > > Sadananda > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 hsin: Then PraNAms means that the immeasurable is saluting Itslef. or if there is a moment of clouding of awareness through attribution of Reality to things percieved; the word " PraNAms " will Uncloud due to unlimited Respect. Thank you. > You are right - now who is doing the measuring of the ego? It is >again ego. Every egotistical person claims that he does not have >any ego? And who says that - it is that very ego that is > denying its existence and in the very process of denial confirming >its existence. hsin: Very True, to claim or disclaim, is Ego, To Be is something else. Ego is that false center, where awareness is focused. To BE, is to have no center, while awareness roams, rediates and shines on the circumferance without settling, otherwise a new center is created or a new Identity is created or a more subtle Ego is created. Thank you again. > And sir who says that - is ego not existing or is it non-existent entity? If it is also existing > entity since we are not talking about non-existent egos - which is to be and not to be? hsin:Sir, it is not a matter of saying, it is a matter of Seeing and Being. > Hsin - please think again - who says all these things that ego/world is complex and detrimental. Why should any thing in the >universe detrimental and to whom? How can it drop by itself - and to > whom it drops? If it drops by itself - then every body would have >realized - does it take time to drop by itself. > No Hsin - Vedanta says ego is the product of ignorance - No >ignorance can go by itself - Otherwise I would have become expert in many many subjects by just sitting around. Only knowledge can > remove ignorance - any ignorance. hsin: Understanding is the wisdom that uproots ignorance. Then Knowledge and Being Reign. > Ego will not go and what ever you DO it reinforces itself and not >doing is also doing just nothing only - Lot of vagabonds do >nothing. But they may have a bigger ego too. Ego manifests in >doing, not doing and doing any other way. Ego is false guy and >anything we do only reinforces its presence that includes not doing >too. Only way to get rid of the false guy is to expose him that > he is false - that is done by inquiry only. Hence the series. >Only inquiring the nature of the ego one can understands its >falsity and the trick it place to watch it carefully - not not >doing anything. hsin: True, " to unferstand the falsity of the ego " , understanding alone is not enough. To understand by the heart -through empathy- not only mind, to experience through empathy the suffering caused by the ego and where the ego will take man; this is what I mean by detreimental. Thank you Sadananda. Sadananda Sir, you keep asking WHO. There is a doing without a doer it is called spontaneoue action. All doings are reactions based on memory, collected information; nevertheless, there is a doing pure of the past, a doing based on thinking without a thinker, which might be called Intuition or Inspiration, which is not based on memory. > It is a way of greeting - Hari stands for Lord Vishnu and Om! is the sound symbol for the truth or > realty that covers all the words starting from a to z. It is recognizing that whatever I am doing > is only greeting the Lord in various names and forms including in the name of Hsin. > Some one said it is an abbreviation for Hurry Home. hsin: Yes greetings highly respected and appreciated. Both are very instructive, especiall Hurry Home. Thank you again, for this very informative and constructive monologue, netween One, where otherness disappeared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 --- hsin_shang <hsin_shang wrote: > > Sadananda Sir, you keep asking WHO. There is a doing without a doer > it is called spontaneoue action. All doings are reactions based on > memory, collected information; nevertheless, there is a doing pure > of the past, a doing based on thinking without a thinker, which > might be called Intuition or Inspiration, which is not based on > memory. Fantastic hsin - if you put it that way I have to accept it. From the trasactional point there is locus for knower who knowes. Ego can never know and the truth that I am need not know since it is ever present. Spontaneity with intution or inspiration is beautiful way of putting the knowledge- knower and known that merge into one. Beautiful. My humble praNAms. Hari Om! Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 advaitin , kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada wrote: > Fantastic hsin - if you put it that way I have to accept it. From the trasactional point there is > locus for knower who knowes. Ego can never know and the truth that I am need not know since it is > ever present. hsin: Absolutely true; the Great Sage Atmananda said " Knowledge has nothing to know. " My deepest appreciation to you Sadananda Sir, for a beautiful interchange of posting. A posting that was very illuminating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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