Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Gita Satsangh Chapter 11 Verses 47 to 48 (Verse Translation by Swami Gambirananda, Gita Bhasya and commentary by Swami Chinmayanandaji) Sri Bhagavaan Uvaacha Mayaa prasannena tavaarjunedam Roopam param darshitamaatmayogaat; Tejomayam vishwamanantamaadyam Yanme twadanyena na drishtapoorvam. The Blessed Lord said: 47. Out of grace, O Arjuna, this supreme, radiant, Cosmic, infinite, primeval form-which (form) of Mine has not been seen before by anyone other than you, has been shown to you by Me through the power of My own Yoga. Prasannena, out of grace-grace means the intention of favouring you O Arjuna, idam, this param, supreme tejomayam, abundantly radiant visvam, Cosmic, all-comprehensive anantam, infinite, limitless adyam, primeval-that which existed in the beginning rupam, form, the Cosmic form yat which form me, of Mine na drsta-purvam, has not been seen before tvat-anyena, by anyone other than you daristam, has been shown tava, to you maya, by Me-who am racious, being possessed of that (intention of favouring you) atma-yogat, through the power of My own Yoga, through the power of My own Godhood. Here we have the confession that it is not the privilege of all devotees to come to perceive this " Form-tremendous " and that Arjuna is enjoying It as a special favor due to His Infinite Grace. He also asserts that, " THIS SPLENDID, PRIMEVAL, INFINITE, UNIVERSAL-FORM OF MINE " has not been seen by anyone else. It does not mean that Vyasa, the author of the Geeta, is propounding a new theory, and is making the Lord of his own creation testify to the veracity of it. It only means that this intellectual realization of the Universal-Oneness has not been gained by anyone placed in the same circumstances as those of Arjuna in the war-front. Mentally shattered, physically worn-out, emotionally upset --- the miserable condition of Arjuna and this Arjuna-state of utter despondency are, in fact, far removed from the favorable conditions for a single- pointed intellectual quest, without which the underlying Principle of Oneness in the multiplicity of the gross world, cannot easily be comprehended. But Krishna had, due to his tremendous powers, given the required 'eye-of-wisdom' to Arjuna and made him realize, in a chance moment of mental pause, the vision of the Cosmic Form. WHAT WAS AT THE BACK OF THE MIND OF THE LORD, WHEN HE EXPRESSED THIS STANZA, IS CLEAR FROM THE FOLLOWING: 'You have certainly got all your ends accomplished by the vision of the form of Mine who am the Self [The word atmanah (who am the Self) does not occur in some editions.-Tr.] .' Saying so, He eulogizes that (vision): Na vedayajnaadhyayanairna daanair Na cha kriyaabhirna tapobhirugraih; Evam roopah shakya aham nriloke Drashtum twadanyena karupraveera. 48. Not by the study of the Vedas and sacrifices, not by gifts, not even by rituals, not by severe austerities can I, in this form, be perceived in the human world by anyone ['By anyone who has not received My grace'. other than you, O most valiant among the Kurus. Na veda-yajna-adhyayanaih, not by the study of the Vedas and sacrifices, (i.e.) not by the methodical study of even the four Vedas and the study of the sacrifices-since the study of the sacrifices is achieved by the very study of the Vedas, the separate mention of the study of sacrifices is for suggesting detailed knowledge of sacrifices; This separate mention of the study of sacrifices is necessary because the ancients understood the study of Vedas to mean learing them by rote. so also, na danaih, not by gifts-in such forms as distributing wealth equal to the weight of the giver; na ca kriyabhih, not even by rituals-by Vedic and other rituals like Agnihotra etc.; nor even ugraih tapobhih, by severe austerities such a Candrayana [A religious observance or expiatory penance regulated by the moon's phases. In it the daily quantity of food, which consists of fifteen mouthfuls at the full-moon, is curtailed by one mouthful during the dark fornight till it is reduced to nothing at the new moon; and it is increased in a like manner during the bright fortnight] etc. which are frightful; sakyah aham, can I; evam rupam, in this form-possessing the Cosmic form as was shown; drastum, be perceived; nrloke, in the human world; tvad-anyena, by anyone other than you; kuru-pravira, O most valiant among the Kurus. Explaining why Arjuna deserves a special congratulation for having gained this extraordinary experience, the Lord says that none can 'SEE' this Universal-Form merely because of one's study of the Vedas, or on the strength of one's sacrifices. Nor can one gain it by the merits gained through the distribution of gifts, or through performing rituals, or even through constant practice of severe austerities. These are, no doubt, necessary and always helpful in preparing the seeker to realize the essential unity beneath the perceived plurality, but neither a mere book-study, nor empty ritualism, nor physical tapas in themselves will, as an effect of them, bring about this understanding and the Final Experience. It can come only when the mind is steady. This " Vision " can be illumined only in the clear light of an integrated 'in-turned intellect.' In thus making light of the study of the Vedas, performance of sacrifices, distribution of gifts, practice of rituals and a life of grim penance, Lord Krishna should not be misunderstood as ridiculing these great prescriptions of the Vedas. He merely means to say that although these are means, preparatory to the final end, they are not to be confused with the goal. Cooking, in itself, cannot appease hunger, but that does not mean that cooking is unnecessary; after cooking there is, and must be, the eating. It is in this sense that we must understand the stanza, criticizing ponderous study and futile efforts of misguided enthusiasts. FOR, NONE OF THE KNOWN METHODS OF SELF-DEVELOPMENT IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING THIS GLORIOUS ACHIEVEMENT. IT IS SAID: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Swami Dayananda Saraswati's Explanation and Commentary By my grace, Arjuna, this original form which is limitless, full of brilliance, includes everything and is without end, that (form) of mine which was never before seen by anyone other than you, was shown to you through my power. This cosmic form was shown to Arjuna by the power of Bhagavan's maya. It was a form that was all brilliance, tejomayam, included everything, vttvam, with no end, ananfam. And it is the original form adyam, the one into which all other forms have gone. The cosmos came first and within it, there are many other forms constantly being born. It was never seen before, na drstapurvam, by anyone except you, tvad anyena. How did he manage to see this? Bhagavan says, " by my grace, maya prasannena. " " With my power, atmayogat, I have shown you this effulgent form which includes every form because I am pleased with you. This was not seen by anybody else but you. " Arjuna was frightened by the cosmic form. Therefore Krishna uses some consoling words to bring him back to his senses. He praises the vision of the cosmic form by saying how difficult it is to get. Sankara introduces the nezt verse with Krishna saying, " By seeing my form, your wish is fulfilled, krtarthah. " Not by study of the Vedas or rituals, not by charity, not by performing rituals, nor by severe austerities is it possible to see, in the world of men, that I am in this form by anyone other than you, 0 bravest of the Kurus. " It is not possible to see, na sakyah drastvm, that I am in this form, aham evamrupah. " The sense organs have their limitations so they cannot encompass the entire cosmic form. Each sense organ can only grasp a given sense object. Eyes can register form and color; ears, sounds, etc.; but all within a certain range. Beyond that they have no scope. Even your imagination is something dependent entirely upon your sensory perception. You cannot stretch it to cover the cosmic form. That is why it was frightening to Arjuna. Of course it was thrilling, but at the same time so frightening because of the destruction he saw taking place. Suppose I study the Veda, the scriptures, can I not see this cosmic form? No, he says, " not by study of the Veda, na veda-adyayanaih " Mere study of the Veda is not enough, you must have vicara. Learning the Vedic mantras from a teacher for recitation is called veda- adhyayanam. The plural has been used here so even if you learn all four Vedas, you will not have the cosmic vision. Study of the Veda includes study of the rituals, yajna-adhyayanam, so why this separate mention of yajna-adhyayanam? One may know all about rituals but still not know how to perform them. There is special study of mimamsa, analysis, for that. So yajna-adhyayanam also implies a lot of vicara, enquiry. Therefore, Sankara says the separate mention of the study of the yajna is meant only to imply knowledge of how to perform rituals, yajna-vijnanam. " By mere study of the Veda and the knowledge of rituals 1 cannot be seen in this form. " Only religious and spiritual practices are mentioned here because they are the most appropriate and efficacious when the Lord is the goal. But to see this form you require a lot more. That is the idea. Nor can it be accomplished by charities, na danaih. Charity is a great action and according to the sastra it produces a lot of punya. Still, it is not enough. Even, Sankara says, if it is a gift of your weight in gold, tulapurusadibhih. That is a very great gift but still not enough to see this form. Nor is the performing of rituals, na ca. kriyabhlh. Not even by all the rituals mentioned in the Veda like agnihotra, can this vision of the cosmic form be had. Nor the most difficult ascetic religious practices, na api tapobhih ugralh. Even severe disciplines like candrayana, Sankara says, are not enough. Candrayana is japa combined with a type of fasting. You start on the full moon eating your normal amount of food. The next day you reduce it by 1/15, the next day another 1/15, and so on until the 15th day, the new moon day, when you eat nothing. The following day you eat 1/15 of your regular food intake, the next day another 1/15 until you have reached you full food intake on the full moon day. As the moon wanes and waxes, so does your food intake. This is very difficult to do so Sankara mentions it especially. But even by terrible tapas, the vision of this cosmic form cannot be gained. In spite of doing all these heroic things, no one has had the cosmic vision. " Except you, Arjuna. " He got it easily, merely for the asking. That is the point here. Krishna addresses him as kurupravira, the one who is the most brave in the Kuru family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 praNAms to all Advaita *Vedantins* on this list (ones who believe that, that eternal peace, goodness, happiness and immortality is only in realizing that we are immortal Self, there is no other way), Here is the commentary of Shri Jnaneshwari on these verses of the Gita. advaitin , " Ram Chandran " <ramvchandran wrote: > > Gita Satsangh Chapter 11 Verses 47 to 48 > Sri Bhagavaan Uvaacha > Mayaa prasannena tavaarjunedam Roopam param darshitamaatmayogaat; > Tejomayam vishwamanantamaadyam Yanme twadanyena na drishtapoorvam. > > The Blessed Lord said: > 47. Out of grace, O Arjuna, this supreme, radiant, Cosmic, infinite, > primeval form-which (form) of Mine has not been seen before by anyone > other than you, has been shown to you by Me through the power of My > own Yoga. At these words of Arjuna, the Lord was amazed and said. " I have never met a thoughtless person like you. You have witnessed a rare vision of unsurpassed grandeur; but you do not seem to exult in it. Instead you do not know that you are talking like an imprudent person out of fright (606-610). When I am propitious to a devotee, I bestow upon him only external gifts. But if I do not come across a truly devoted soul,'to whom can I divulge the secret of my heart? But for your " sake, I have wrought this universal form by bringing together all things in this world. I do not know how enchanted I am by your devotional love, as a result of which I have unfolded before the world the colours of My most mysterious form. This form of mine, which is beyond the reach of Maya, is limitless and from it have emanated Krishna and other incarnations. This form consists of the splendour of knowledge and is all-pervasive. It has no end and it is the firm foundation of the universe (611-615). No one except yourself has set his eyes on it or even heard about it, because it cannot be attained by any external means. > Na vedayajnaadhyayanairna daanair Na cha kriyaabhirna tapobhirugraih; > Evam roopah shakya aham nriloke Drashtum twadanyena karupraveera. > > 48. Not by the study of the Vedas and sacrifices, not by gifts, not > even by rituals, not by severe austerities can I, in this form, be > perceived in the human world by anyone ['By anyone who has not > received My grace'. other than you, O most valiant among the Kurus. When the Vedas sighted this form, they were struck dumb. Those who worshipped with sacrificial rites went up to heaven and returned (after their merit was exhausted). Those who took up yogic practices left them as too arduous, and those who studied the scriptures did not develop a liking for this form. Those who followed the path of pious works rushed forward eagerly for its attainment, but could only reach the precincts of Satyaloka. The ascetics readily gave up their rigorous austerities, as soon as they caught a glimpse of the grandeur of the cosmic form. Thus this form remained beyond the reach of austerit1es also (616-620). Just as you saw it without any effort on your part, it has not come within the ken of any mortal. You are the one person who is worthy to posses this treasure of mystic vision, which is denied even to god Brahma. [The above translation has been taken from the freely available http://www.bvbpune.org/chap11.html] Hari Om! Ramakrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Shri Ram Chandranji (and Satsanghis), Here are a couple of thoughts on these verses. 1. Lord Krishna emphasized repeatedly (11.48 and 11.53) that performance of Vedic rituals in a sakaama way, with desires in mind, is not going to fetch Him. This is the fundamental tenet of Vedanta. The surprising fact is that, verses in the Samhita part (called by people as the kaarma-kaanda) of Rig Veda itself, are expressing similar thoughts. One such famous verse is verse 39 of the Asya Vamiya Sukta (1.164) of Rig Veda. Here are a couple of translations. What will he do with the hymn of the Veda who does not know its theme -- the Eternal in the supreme region, in which the Devas dwell? But those who have come to know That are perfect. [Abinash Bose's translation.] He who knows not the eternal syllable of the Veda, the highest point upon which all the Gods repose, what business has he with the Veda? Only its knowers sit here in peace and concord. [Raimundo Panikkar's translation.] 2. It should be noticed that if the Vedas themselves have prayed to the Eternal Self, how can practice of such Vedas in a sakama way fetch a Vision of the Lord? Here, I am referring to the Shruti Gita, an episode from Srimad Bhagavatham, when the Eternal Vedas prayed to the Eternal Puurusha. Our very respected Professorji has translated some verses from it. Here is a shloka (SB 7.87.20) from it sva-kRRita-pureshh-vamIshh-vabahir-antara-samvaraNam tava purushham vadanty-akhila-shakti-dhRRito'msha-kRRitam / iti nRRigatim vivicya kavayo nigamAvapanam bhavata-upAsate'nghrim-abhavam bhuvi vishvasitAH // The Vedas speak of the purushha dwelling in these bodies shaped by itself, though, as a matter of fact, it is not limited by anything which is of the nature of cause and effect as a part, made as it were out of you, the wielder of all potencies. Having thus determined the nature of the Purushha, the wise on this earth, full of faith, adore your feet at which acts enjoined by the vedas are offered and which put an end to rebirth. (NOTE THE EMPHASIS ON BHAKTI HERE.) Read the translation from http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/teachers/shruti_gita_profvk.htm 3. This section, in emphasizing on the Purushottama aspect of prayer, are setting the tone for Chapter 12, the Bhakti Yoga of Gita. Our respected elders already had beautiful posts on it!!! praNAms to all Advaitins, Ramakrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Namaste Sri Ramakrishna: Lord Krishna's statement in these verses reminds me my mathematics classes of school and college days. In general, Mathematical outcomes consist of one of the following situation: (1) outcome requires the necessary conditions but are not sufficient (2) outcome outlines sufficient conditions but are not necessary (3) outcome depends on the necessary and sufficient conditions (if and only) In these verses, Lord's reference to Vedas, etc., etc. should be interpreted to mean that knowledge of Vedas alone is not sufficient for Him to grant the Vision. What Lord says is that " practices " alone will not determine the outcome but 'shreddha - dedication with conviction' is what he looks for from his devotees. In verses 26 and 27 of chapter 9, Bhagawan beautifully describes that the attitude of the Devotee is much more important than what he/she pratices/gives. Verse 47 Lord Krishna acknowledged the devotion Arjuna bore towards Him and the fervent prayer that he addressed to Him (in verses 3 and 4 of this chapter) had moved His heart, and it was with a view to enlightening him about His own virtues, glory and truth that He had mercifully shown His Transcendent form. Lord Krishna understood the anxiety in the facial expression of Arjuna and the verbal utterance of the adjective `Maya.' The compound word `Atmayogat' denotes that the Cosmic Body of the Lord could not be perceived by all and at all times. It could be seen only when the Divine facilitates His vision through His own power of Yoga. Also those who are gifted with the Divine Vision granted by the Divine will only be able to see the Cosmic Body. This is one of the greatest privileges and it is available only to the chosen Devote. The use of the adjectives `Idam', `Param', `Tejomayam', `Adyam', `Anantam' and `Visvam' with the substantive `Rupam' is intended to bring home to Arjuna the greatness of His Transcendent Cosmic Body. The Lord thus told Arjuna that the form in which He appeared before him was an Infinite Mass of Divine-luster without limits and bounds exhibiting all Creations that Existed before, Exists now and will happen in the future. What Arjuna saw was a Visual Display of the Past, the Present and Future of the entire Cosmos. Actually what he could grasp was an infinitesimal fraction of the Divine. There was a world of difference between the Cosmic forms revealed by Sri Krishna to mother Yashoda in His own mouth and to Bhisma and others in the court of the Kauravas, on the one hand, and the Cosmic Body revealed on this occasion to Arjuna. All these three forms have been described differently in Bhagavatham, Mahabharat and Bhagavad Gita. . In the form revealed to Arjuna Bhisma, Drona and the other heroes were seen entering the flaming mouths of the Lord. Such a Cosmic form was never shown by the Lord to anyone before. Thus there is no contradiction in the above statement of the Lord. Verse 48 Study of the Vedas with all the supplementary sciences and other auxiliary branches of Knowledge under a qualified teacher well-versed in the Vedic lore, and thoroughly grasping their meaning is called `Vedadhyayana.' Even so receiving instruction in the various rituals from teachers skilled in the performance of sacrifices, and acquiring practical knowledge of the same by attending sacrifices performed with due ceremony under the supervision of such teachers is known as `Yajnadhyayana'. `Dana' consists in gifting to another, with due regard to the latter's qualifications one's wealth or other possessions, food, water, knowledge, cattle, land etc, with a cheerful heart for the recipient's benefit and enjoyment. Performing sacrifices enjoined by the Vedas and Smrti texts, and all other pursuits sanctioned by the scriptures and followed for the sake of discharging one's duty as prescribed by one's Varna or grade in society and Asrama or stage in life are covered by the term `Kriya'. Observing fasts recommended in the Sastras under the name of `Krcchra' and `Candrayana' etc, and other stringent rules of life, subduing the mind and senses with strong determination and reason, undergoing severe bodily and mental suffering for the sake of one's duty, and various other forms of askes is undertaken in accordance with the scriptural ordinance-all these are included under the category of `austere penances.' Recent scientific investigative studies on the benefits of fasting and controlled and reduced food undertakings on prescribed dates of the months show positive health benefits. The Sastras's prescribed purification is not limited to only mind and intellect but also our body. Declaring that it was impossible to obtain a vision of His Cosmic Body through the above practices, and thereby revealing its transcendent glory the Lord congratulates Arjuna on his being able, through His own grace and goodwill, to behold the Form which could not be seen by any other means. The feelings of fear, agony and bewilderment etc, obsessing Arjuna's mind at that moment were, therefore, altogether, inopportune and unjustified. Only blessed few among the human beings get the aptitude to study the Vedas and rituals, practice charity, perform penance and undertake various other forms of activities. And it is through the human body alone that one acquires various other qualifications by performing fresh actions of various kinds. All beings other than the humans (plants and animals) follow the laws of nature (their destiny). The use of the word `Nrloke' is intended to bring out this glory of the mortal world. The intention is to point out that when that Form of the Lord cannot be seen by anybody through just by practices alone! What the Lord says that the Grace of the Lord is not like a college diploma, after successful completion of academic courses prescribed by the University. By addressing Arjuna as `Kurupravira' the Lord shows that Arjuna was the greatest hero of the Kuru race, and it was unbecoming of a hero like him to entertain fear. It seems that Franklin Roosevelt had understood Lord Krishna's statement by this declaration: " the only thing that we have to fear is fear itself! " With my warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin , " Ramakrishna Upadrasta " <uramakrishna wrote: > > Shri Ram Chandranji (and Satsanghis), > > Here are a couple of thoughts on these verses. > > 1. Lord Krishna emphasized repeatedly (11.48 and 11.53) that performance > of Vedic rituals in a sakaama way, with desires in mind, is not going to > fetch Him. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 praNAms Shri Ram Chandranji, Thanks for the wonderful and detailed explanation. I do not have anything to add, than the following quote from Katha-Upanishad: advaitin , " Ram Chandran " <ramvchandran wrote: > Declaring that it was impossible to obtain a vision of His Cosmic > Body through the above practices, and thereby revealing its > transcendent glory the Lord congratulates Arjuna on his being able, > through His own grace and goodwill, to behold the Form which could > not be seen by any other means. This Atman cannot be attained by the study of the Vedas, or by intelligence, or by much hearing of the sacred books. It is attained by him alone whom It chooses. To such a one Atman reveals Its own form. praNAms again to you and to all Advaitins, Ramakrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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