Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Hare Krishna, Namaskarams. Just a few thoughts. In a garden or house we see a flower. No need to know what flower it is or its name or even that it is a flower, but just look at a lovely creation. Who gave the colour to it? From where did the fragrance come? Who designed its shape- the softness and the way it dances in that light breeze. No need to compare, no need to name it, but just looking at it don't we see divinity-creation at it's best. Does any concept required to enjoy simply looking at it-just being there- natural, the plants that have sensation ,that react to touch, music and man's aura living gloriously. Again look at a baby of 6 or 8 months-no need to know what its name is or whose baby it is. Don't we see the innocent eyes and when it smiles at you can we not see the unadulterated love in it –the child yet to be corrupted by the society it is going to live with. Divinity shines at in all it's glory there-again no concepts- no judgments-just look at its being. You can go on and on enjoying as much as you want. Like that in everything that you come across in your life. The whole world is full of such beautiful creations-nature at its best everywhere. Creatures under the sea, animals in forests, butterflies with intricately designed and colourful wings, trees, forests, rivers, mountains etc. a never ending list all there for you to enjoy. You forget everything when you stand in the boat below the Niagara falls as the river cascades roaring down and the cold misty spray hits you in the face. No words are necessary, you are lost in it. Is it the mind that enjoys it all, in fact the mind is not there at all –the self sees it all and enjoys it all. The lord enjoys his own creation through his creations. On such instances/moments there is no distinction of myself, your self and god etc. There is just divinity in unity at its splendorest-in fact no words are there to describe it. No effort required-nothing needs to be done-just be-advaitam all the time in such glorious moments. Sometimes I wonder where are we and what are we doing with the scriptures. Do we see the lord through the scriptures or we dissect them resulting in endless circularity of debates. baskaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 advaitin , " baskaran42 " <baskaran42 wrote: > > Hare Krishna, Namaskarams. > > Just a few thoughts. In a garden or house we see a flower. No need to > know what flower it is or its name or even that it is a flower, but > just look at a lovely creation. Who gave the colour to it? From where > did the fragrance come? Who designed its shape- the softness and the > way it dances in that light breeze. No need to compare, no need to > name it, but just looking at it don't we see divinity-creation at it's > best. Does any concept required to enjoy simply looking at it-just > being there- natural, the plants that have sensation ,that react to > touch, music and man's aura living gloriously. > > Again look at a baby of 6 or 8 months-no need to know what its name is > or whose baby it is. Don't we see the innocent eyes and when it smiles > at you can we not see the unadulterated love in it –the child yet to > be corrupted by the society it is going to live with. Divinity shines > at in all it's glory there-again no concepts- no judgments-just look > at its being. You can go on and on enjoying as much as you want. Like > that in everything that you come across in your life. > > The whole world is full of such beautiful creations-nature at its best > everywhere. Creatures under the sea, animals in forests, butterflies > with intricately designed and colourful wings, trees, forests, rivers, > mountains etc. a never ending list all there for you to enjoy. You > forget everything when you stand in the boat below the Niagara falls > as the river cascades roaring down and the cold misty spray hits you > in the face. No words are necessary, you are lost in it. Is it the > mind that enjoys it all, in fact the mind is not there at all –the > self sees it all and enjoys it all. > > The lord enjoys his own creation through his creations. On such > instances/moments there is no distinction of myself, your self and god > etc. There is just divinity in unity at its splendorest-in fact no > words are there to describe it. No effort required-nothing needs to be > done-just be-advaitam all the time in such glorious moments. > > Sometimes I wonder where are we and what are we doing with the > scriptures. Do we see the lord through the scriptures or we dissect > them resulting in endless circularity of debates. > > baskaran Dear Shri Baskaran, I enjoyed reading your post. What you say is quite true. We can see God in the things around us. But the examples you have taken are things of beauty. Real advitic experience is seeing God even in the most repulsive creatures, in a leper, a cold-blooded murderer, an ugly animal. That is what is difficult to attain. The scriptures are no doubt only a means to realize God and not an end in themselves. But how can we understand their purport unless we atudy, discuss and enquire into their meaning? Otherwise Sri Shankara would not have taken the trouble to explain every word in the upanishads, reconcile apparent contradictions, and refute the views of other schools. But as you rightly say, we should not become obsessed with only indulging in hair-splitting arguments, but should understand the purport. These are just a few thoughts in response to your post. I am very glad to see your thoughtful contribution and would welcome your frequent participation in the discussions. S.N.Sastri > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Namaste Sri Bhaskaran: After making some splendid observations on God's creations, you have expressed some reservations regarding His creation of " Human Intellect! " Don't you agree that our enjoyment of those glorious moments was faciliated by the most versatile creation of God – Human Intellect! Everything that God provided to us is His Gift for our enjoyment that includes the gardens, flowers, colors, fragrances, and all creatures including newborns, natural and man-made wonders of the world, and most importantly the human body, mind and intellect. All His Gifts are sacred and we have no option other than to see the Lord in all creations that includes the endless circulatory debates!! If we learn to witness the circulatory debates with the same attitude of looking at the flowers, etc., the circulation will momentarily stop without motion! This is not my words but they inscribed in bold letters within Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads!! With my warmest regards, Ram Chandran In advaitin , " baskaran42 " <baskaran42 wrote: > > > The lord enjoys his own creation through his creations. On such > instances/moments there is no distinction of myself, your self and god > etc. There is just divinity in unity at its splendorest-in fact no > words are there to describe it. No effort required-nothing needs to be > done-just be-advaitam all the time in such glorious moments. > > Sometimes I wonder where are we and what are we doing with the > scriptures. Do we see the lord through the scriptures or we dissect > them resulting in endless circularity of debates. > > baskaran > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 --- baskaran42 <baskaran42 wrote: Sometimes I wonder where are we and what are we doing with the scriptures. Do we see the lord through the scriptures or we dissect them resulting in endless circularity of debates. ------------------- This echoes the same sentiment (I feel) as Michael's post yesterday (The Point, #39662) as to the applicability of debates etc. Personally I feel, the debates should not be at a level of intellectualization, rather they should be an honest delving into one's anubhava. The people who wrote commentaries, came up with and refuted various viewpoints doubtless had experience of the truth, and hence their thoughts are no 'debates' but rather statement from self-experience. The nature of Maya being such, that 2 individuals at 2 different times experience different things, hence to apparent discord. There is beautiful line in a book I read: " Saintliness (santatva) is not in the math (monastery), saintliness is not in poetry (kavitva), not is it in scholarliness (vidvatta), (you need) svanubhava for saintliness. I believe when spoken from svanubhava, nothing is dry intellectualization.. it is all honest enquiry. Each one needs to make sure within oneself with what motive he/she is discussing an issue. Thats my 2 paisa worth. ~Vaibhav. Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. To know how, go to http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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