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Hare Krishna, Namaskarams.

 

Just a few thoughts. In a garden or house we see a flower. No need to

know what flower it is or its name or even that it is a flower, but

just look at a lovely creation. Who gave the colour to it? From where

did the fragrance come? Who designed its shape- the softness and the

way it dances in that light breeze. No need to compare, no need to

name it, but just looking at it don't we see divinity-creation at it's

best. Does any concept required to enjoy simply looking at it-just

being there- natural, the plants that have sensation ,that react to

touch, music and man's aura living gloriously.

 

Again look at a baby of 6 or 8 months-no need to know what its name is

or whose baby it is. Don't we see the innocent eyes and when it smiles

at you can we not see the unadulterated love in it –the child yet to

be corrupted by the society it is going to live with. Divinity shines

at in all it's glory there-again no concepts- no judgments-just look

at its being. You can go on and on enjoying as much as you want. Like

that in everything that you come across in your life.

 

The whole world is full of such beautiful creations-nature at its best

everywhere. Creatures under the sea, animals in forests, butterflies

with intricately designed and colourful wings, trees, forests, rivers,

mountains etc. a never ending list all there for you to enjoy. You

forget everything when you stand in the boat below the Niagara falls

as the river cascades roaring down and the cold misty spray hits you

in the face. No words are necessary, you are lost in it. Is it the

mind that enjoys it all, in fact the mind is not there at all –the

self sees it all and enjoys it all.

 

The lord enjoys his own creation through his creations. On such

instances/moments there is no distinction of myself, your self and god

etc. There is just divinity in unity at its splendorest-in fact no

words are there to describe it. No effort required-nothing needs to be

done-just be-advaitam all the time in such glorious moments.

 

Sometimes I wonder where are we and what are we doing with the

scriptures. Do we see the lord through the scriptures or we dissect

them resulting in endless circularity of debates.

 

baskaran

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advaitin , " baskaran42 " <baskaran42 wrote:

>

> Hare Krishna, Namaskarams.

>

> Just a few thoughts. In a garden or house we see a flower. No need

to

> know what flower it is or its name or even that it is a flower, but

> just look at a lovely creation. Who gave the colour to it? From

where

> did the fragrance come? Who designed its shape- the softness and

the

> way it dances in that light breeze. No need to compare, no need to

> name it, but just looking at it don't we see divinity-creation at

it's

> best. Does any concept required to enjoy simply looking at it-just

> being there- natural, the plants that have sensation ,that react to

> touch, music and man's aura living gloriously.

>

> Again look at a baby of 6 or 8 months-no need to know what its

name is

> or whose baby it is. Don't we see the innocent eyes and when it

smiles

> at you can we not see the unadulterated love in it –the child yet

to

> be corrupted by the society it is going to live with. Divinity

shines

> at in all it's glory there-again no concepts- no judgments-just

look

> at its being. You can go on and on enjoying as much as you want.

Like

> that in everything that you come across in your life.

>

> The whole world is full of such beautiful creations-nature at its

best

> everywhere. Creatures under the sea, animals in forests,

butterflies

> with intricately designed and colourful wings, trees, forests,

rivers,

> mountains etc. a never ending list all there for you to enjoy. You

> forget everything when you stand in the boat below the Niagara

falls

> as the river cascades roaring down and the cold misty spray hits

you

> in the face. No words are necessary, you are lost in it. Is it the

> mind that enjoys it all, in fact the mind is not there at all –the

> self sees it all and enjoys it all.

>

> The lord enjoys his own creation through his creations. On such

> instances/moments there is no distinction of myself, your self and

god

> etc. There is just divinity in unity at its splendorest-in fact no

> words are there to describe it. No effort required-nothing needs

to be

> done-just be-advaitam all the time in such glorious moments.

>

> Sometimes I wonder where are we and what are we doing with the

> scriptures. Do we see the lord through the scriptures or we dissect

> them resulting in endless circularity of debates.

>

> baskaran

 

Dear Shri Baskaran,

I enjoyed reading your post.

What you say is quite true. We can see God in the things around us.

But the examples you have taken are things of beauty. Real advitic

experience is seeing God even in the most repulsive creatures, in a

leper, a cold-blooded murderer, an ugly animal. That is what is

difficult to attain.

The scriptures are no doubt only a means to realize God and not an

end in themselves. But how can we understand their purport unless we

atudy, discuss and enquire into their meaning? Otherwise Sri

Shankara would not have taken the trouble to explain every word in

the upanishads, reconcile apparent contradictions, and refute the

views of other schools. But as you rightly say, we should not become

obsessed with only indulging in hair-splitting arguments, but should

understand the purport.

These are just a few thoughts in response to your post. I am very

glad to see your thoughtful contribution and would welcome your

frequent participation in the discussions.

S.N.Sastri

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Namaste Sri Bhaskaran:

 

After making some splendid observations on God's creations, you have

expressed some reservations regarding His creation of " Human

Intellect! " Don't you agree that our enjoyment of those glorious

moments was faciliated by the most versatile creation of God – Human

Intellect! Everything that God provided to us is His Gift for our

enjoyment that includes the gardens, flowers, colors, fragrances, and

all creatures including newborns, natural and man-made wonders of the

world, and most importantly the human body, mind and intellect. All

His Gifts are sacred and we have no option other than to see the Lord

in all creations that includes the endless circulatory debates!! If

we learn to witness the circulatory debates with the same attitude of

looking at the flowers, etc., the circulation will momentarily stop

without motion! This is not my words but they inscribed in bold

letters within Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads!!

 

With my warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

In advaitin , " baskaran42 " <baskaran42 wrote:

>

>

> The lord enjoys his own creation through his creations. On such

> instances/moments there is no distinction of myself, your self and

god

> etc. There is just divinity in unity at its splendorest-in fact no

> words are there to describe it. No effort required-nothing needs to

be

> done-just be-advaitam all the time in such glorious moments.

>

> Sometimes I wonder where are we and what are we doing with the

> scriptures. Do we see the lord through the scriptures or we dissect

> them resulting in endless circularity of debates.

>

> baskaran

>

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--- baskaran42 <baskaran42 wrote:

 

Sometimes I wonder where are we and what are we doing

with the

scriptures. Do we see the lord through the scriptures

or we dissect

them resulting in endless circularity of debates.

-------------------

 

 

This echoes the same sentiment (I feel) as Michael's

post yesterday (The Point, #39662) as to the

applicability of debates etc.

 

Personally I feel, the debates should not be at a

level of intellectualization, rather they should be an

honest delving into one's anubhava. The people who

wrote commentaries, came up with and refuted various

viewpoints doubtless had experience of the truth, and

hence their thoughts are no 'debates' but rather

statement from self-experience. The nature of Maya

being such, that 2 individuals at 2 different times

experience different things, hence to apparent

discord.

 

There is beautiful line in a book I read: " Saintliness

(santatva) is not in the math (monastery), saintliness

is not in poetry (kavitva), not is it in scholarliness

(vidvatta), (you need) svanubhava for saintliness.

 

I believe when spoken from svanubhava, nothing is dry

intellectualization.. it is all honest enquiry. Each

one needs to make sure within oneself with what motive

he/she is discussing an issue.

 

Thats my 2 paisa worth.

~Vaibhav.

 

 

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