Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I fully agree with Baskaran that Guru is essential in one's spiritual pursuits, excepting very rare exceptions, as in all other fields of learning. Guru is essential for almost all of us leaving a few – very few – exceptions who had progressed so much in their previous lives wherein they had almost zeroed in to that coveted state and stage so that they are now in a position to carry on for the rest of their journey on their own and as such don't require any Guru. Otherwise, a Guru is a must, because He Himself has been there, only He (likes of Him) is aware of the pitfalls, the twists & turns, the baffling alleys where might find ourselves blinded needing someone to show the way ahead, might fall down needing someone who could lift us up and provide the needed courage to march forward! Yes, likes of those abound on the earth who keep trotting the globe claiming themselves to be awakened ones, enlightened beings, realised souls, initiating people for a fees, in which monetary motives, the craze for forming empire, for making fortunes, for earning name & fame are clear, can not be, and must not be accepted as Guru. Such persons are, in fact, " goru " s (Hindi word meaning `cattle' or `animals') in the guise of Guru, bringing a bad name to the sacred institution of Guru. Such persons can do more harm than good, and one must refrain from the company of such people. For a Realised One, all the glitter of gold and worldly charms is insignificant as dust; fame, female (for male; & male for female) & fortune do not have any meaning for Him. But all said and done, just because there are many fake currencies in the market, the need for genuine ones does not go away. Guru is very much needed to show the way to a sincere aspirant, to tell the secrets of visualising light within, to teach the tricks of the trade to listen to the Divine Word, Sound or Vibrations within and to demonstrate the method to reach into His Kingdom & be one with Him. Again of course, we are not talking of exceptions. And we are not saying that finding a Guru and getting initiated is all that needs to be done. In fact, it is the disciple who has to walk the distance, do the work himself; Guru won't lift us and catapult into His kingdom. We have to live in a right way (observing all do's and don'ts meticulously) and practice sincere & rigorous meditation; only then we would receive the help & support of the Guru. Often the question is raised: how to know that one is a self-realised Guru or Master. There is a proverb, it takes a sant to know a sant! For most of the ordinary mortals like us there is no way we could verify whether a given person is a realised one or not. It is not possible to fathom his spiritual attainments unless we ourselves have graduated to that level. And yet, it is very dangerous to fall in the discipleship of a fake Guru who is almost sure to lead us into a blind alley. Then what to do? We should get near and keenly observe such a person who we wish to accept as our Guru. How does he live his daily life – how pure it is? How far removed is he from the mundane attractions? How much a life of self-control & self-discipline does he lead? How much control does he have regarding his diet, dress & lifestyle? How much love & compassion does he naturally betray for the humanity & even animals & birds? How much meditation does he himself practice daily? In short, how much of a consonance or coherence is there between what he preaches and what he practices? If he passes all these tests flawlessly, he can be undoubtedly accepted as a Guru. Further, even subsequent to our getting initiation by him, if we find him to be failing or faltering these tests, we must not lose time in relinquishing him as a Guru. But yes, a Guru is a must. Even Raman Maharshi did make disciples, though not in a formal way, but in a much more subtle way, on the level of vibrations, and such disciples did venerate him like a Guru and needed and got his support whenever needed. The same goes about Lord Buddha who himself did not have a Guru in his last incarnation as a human being, but acted as a Guru in the formal sense to thousands of his devotees. Thus there is no denying the fact that we can't do without a Guru (except exceptions) and any statements to contrary, in my personal view, are statements in vainglory and should be taken as such Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Dear Pravesh-ji, Certainly it is true that a seeker should have a guru and also that it is difficult to assess the status of potential ones. However, it is far more important that a guru be a good teacher and fully conversant with the techniques for teaching. These are even more important than that he be enlightened (as I believe Shankara himself pointed out). A good teacher may still not be a jIvanmukta so one should not judge him or her principally by behavior and mental attitude. Best wishes, Dennis advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf Of Pravesh K. Singh 25 February 2008 10:41 advaitin A Guru is a Must! Then what to do? We should get near and keenly observe such a person who we wish to accept as our Guru. How does he live his daily life - how pure it is? How far removed is he from the mundane attractions? How much a life of self-control & self-discipline does he lead? How much control does he have regarding his diet, dress & lifestyle? How much love & compassion does he naturally betray for the humanity & even animals & birds? How much meditation does he himself practice daily? In short, how much of a consonance or coherence is there between what he preaches and what he practices? If he passes all these tests flawlessly, he can be undoubtedly accepted as a Guru. Further, even subsequent to our getting initiation by him, if we find him to be failing or faltering these tests, we must not lose time in relinquishing him as a Guru. But yes, a Guru is a must. Even Raman Maharshi did make disciples, though not in a formal way, but in a much more subtle way, on the level of vibrations, and such disciples did venerate him like a Guru and needed and got his support whenever needed. The same goes about Lord Buddha who himself did not have a Guru in his last incarnation as a human being, but acted as a Guru in the formal sense to thousands of his devotees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Om Om everyone, I want to submit that although it is advisable to have a guru, but ultimately it is our effulgent self which leads us to the final destination. On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Dennis Waite <dwaite wrote: > Dear Pravesh-ji, > > Certainly it is true that a seeker should have a guru and also that it is > difficult to assess the status of potential ones. However, it is far more > important that a guru be a good teacher and fully conversant with the > techniques for teaching. These are even more important than that he be > enlightened (as I believe Shankara himself pointed out). A good teacher > may > still not be a jIvanmukta so one should not judge him or her principally > by > behavior and mental attitude. > > Best wishes, > > Dennis > > advaitin <advaitin%40> [ > advaitin <advaitin%40>] On Behalf > Of Pravesh K. Singh > 25 February 2008 10:41 > advaitin <advaitin%40> > A Guru is a Must! > > Then what > to do? We should get near and keenly observe such a person who we wish > to accept as our Guru. How does he live his daily life - how pure it > is? How far removed is he from the mundane attractions? How much a life > of self-control & self-discipline does he lead? How much control does he > have regarding his diet, dress & lifestyle? How much love & compassion > does he naturally betray for the humanity & even animals & birds? How > much meditation does he himself practice daily? In short, how much of a > consonance or coherence is there between what he preaches and what he > practices? If he passes all these tests flawlessly, he can be > undoubtedly accepted as a Guru. Further, even subsequent to our getting > initiation by him, if we find him to be failing or faltering these > tests, we must not lose time in relinquishing him as a Guru. But yes, a > Guru is a must. Even Raman Maharshi did make disciples, though not in a > formal way, but in a much more subtle way, on the level of vibrations, > and such disciples did venerate him like a Guru and needed and got his > support whenever needed. The same goes about Lord Buddha who himself did > not have a Guru in his last incarnation as a human being, but acted as a > Guru in the formal sense to thousands of his devotees. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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