Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Pranam and namaskar, On doing debate with couple of Vaishnavites i have realized that most of the dualist views arise from the words 'I,Me,Mine' in Bhagvad-Geeta verses which the dualists identify as Krsna or Vishnu in personal/body form. We Advaitins know that the 'I,Me,Mine' refers to the Self in all beings, but due to these words Bhagvad-Geeta is often quoted against Advaita. So how do we proove or clarify that 'I,Me,Mine' in Bhagavad- Geeta refers to Soul/Brhaman and not a deity? Namaste, Self is All! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 advaitin , " Akshay Chawla " <theadvaita wrote: >Very Good question regarding the BG and the advaitic concept....The most common answer would be to take to Adi Sankara's commentary or Bhashya on the Gita..... ---N K Srinivasan > Pranam and namaskar, > > On doing debate with couple of Vaishnavites i have realized that most > of the dualist views arise from the words 'I,Me,Mine' in Bhagvad-Geeta > verses which the dualists identify as Krsna or Vishnu in personal/body > form. We Advaitins know that the 'I,Me,Mine' refers to the Self in all > beings, but due to these words Bhagvad-Geeta is often quoted against > Advaita. So how do we proove or clarify that 'I,Me,Mine' in Bhagavad- > Geeta refers to Soul/Brhaman and not a deity? > > Namaste, > > Self is All! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Pranams Akshayji, Why do you want to convice the dualists? As long as you are convinced, that is the end of the story. just my 2 cents. Shyam Venkataraman --- Akshay Chawla <theadvaita wrote: > Pranam and namaskar, > > On doing debate with couple of Vaishnavites i have > realized that most > of the dualist views arise from the words > 'I,Me,Mine' in Bhagvad-Geeta > verses which the dualists identify as Krsna or > Vishnu in personal/body > form. We Advaitins know that the 'I,Me,Mine' refers > to the Self in all > beings, but due to these words Bhagvad-Geeta is > often quoted against > Advaita. So how do we proove or clarify that > 'I,Me,Mine' in Bhagavad- > Geeta refers to Soul/Brhaman and not a deity? > > Namaste, > > Self is All! > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Pranams Akshay-ji There are numerous portions in the Gita where the first person singular " I " is used by Bhagwan Krishna to refer to Himself as Brahman, the unmanifest Substratum. The section from Ch13, (which starts the entire section of the Gita dealing with Jnana) starting with the Shloka 13- Jneyam yat tat pravaksyAmi yad JnatvAmrtam ashnute AnAdi mat-param brahma na sat na asat uchyate I shall speak of that which is to be known, by realizing which one attains Immortality. The supreme Brahman is without any beginning. That is called neither being nor non-being. and onto Shloka 19 JyotishAm api taj Jyotih Tamasah param uchyate JnAnam JnEyam Jnana-gamyam Hrdi sarvasya visthitam That is the Light even of the lights; It is spoken of as beyond darkness. It is Knowledge, the Knowable, and the Known. It exists specially in the hearts of all. makes it very clear that the subject matter under discussion is nothing but the Atman or Nirgunam Brahman alone - many metaphors here and the construction of the sentences is heavily influenced/borrowed from the Upanishad vakyas. Many other places - such as Ch9 maya tatam idam sarvam jagad avyakta-murtina mat-sthani sarva-bhutani na caham tesv avasthitah I pervade this whole world in My unmanifest form. All beings exist in Me, but I am not contained in them! also point to the same transcendental truth. There are many other but these are what readily come to mind. A complete reading of Shankara's commentary on the Gita, in particular Chapter 13, [which is freely available online] can help one understand the message of advaita that the Gita conveys unambiguously and beautifully. Humble pranams Shri Gurubhyoh namah Hari OM Shyam advaitin , " Akshay Chawla " <theadvaita wrote: > > Pranam and namaskar, > > On doing debate with couple of Vaishnavites i have realized that most > of the dualist views arise from the words 'I,Me,Mine' in Bhagvad- Geeta > verses which the dualists identify as Krsna or Vishnu in personal/body > form. We Advaitins know that the 'I,Me,Mine' refers to the Self in all > beings, but due to these words Bhagvad-Geeta is often quoted against > Advaita. So how do we proove or clarify that 'I,Me,Mine' in Bhagavad- > Geeta refers to Soul/Brhaman and not a deity? > > Namaste, > > Self is All! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 advaitin , " nksrinivasan123 " <nksrinivasan123 wrote: > > advaitin , " Akshay Chawla " <theadvaita@> wrote: > >Very Good question regarding the BG and the advaitic concept....The > most common answer would be to take to Adi Sankara's commentary or > Bhashya on the Gita..... > ---N K Srinivasan > > Pranam and namaskar, > > > > On doing debate with couple of Vaishnavites i have realized that most > > of the dualist views arise from the words 'I,Me,Mine' in Bhagvad- Geeta > > verses which the dualists identify as Krsna or Vishnu in personal/body > > form. Namaste, Please have them explain Gita verses : 7:19 - vaasudevaH sarvam.......... (what is sarvam?) 7:25 - muuDho.ayam naabhijaanaati....(what does ayam refer to?) 10:20 - aham aatmaa.......... 18:58 - matprasaadaat..... 18:62 - tatprasaadat....(what does tat refer to, and how does it differ from mat in 18:58?) [incidentally, sarvam, ayam, and aham refer to the words in the mahavakyas also, and the one missing is 'tat tvam asi'!] Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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