Presentation and representation

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Putranm wrote:

Sri Michaelji,

 

A couple of points for logic-purpose.

 

The word " re-presentation " seems to have more significance in your

usage than I am following. If the senses present the object to the

mind and the intellect analyses the presentation using its past

memory, it is interesting that the latter presentation is not

considered a re-presentation, for different memories can give

different takes on the same presentation.

 

The last statement on " no definite object " requires some pramaana for

its justification. If only my pratyaksha is used, then that object is

ever existent and ever changing. If also inference is used, then since

the " object " depends on the subject's mental vritti, there is no

definite object apart from subject: but here a definite status is

given for the existence of different subjects (i.e. other objects have

been assumed as " existing as valid subjects " and the analysis of " the

object " is based on the conclusions of the " subject-objects " ). If also

the (object(?) called) Vedas is used, then we can affirm other

subjects as equally valid as myself and a definite object (of

particular properties) apart from us which appears different to each

of us.

 

thollmelukaalkizhu

 

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Namaste Sri Putranm-ji,

I was considering the notion of

representation in perception and finding it lacking. Whether it occurs in

memory or not is another matter which is a side issue. My instinct is

that memory is not a re-presentation because the past event is not present

to the mind but that memory is the presentation of an event that has a tag

marked past. We just know that it is a memory without evidence. Shankara

discusses this in relation to personal identity and memory if memory

serves me right!

 

That definate object was the definitive object i.e. having the character

of finality. I don't think we disagree in any important way on this.

There are things/objects with particular properties. Even in the best

conditions there will be error and variance

 

Best Wishes,

Michael.