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Hi Lema (? - you didn't sign your post),

 

 

 

Welcome to the list.

 

 

 

Yes, I don't remember what brought me to it but I found T. S. Eliot's 'Four

Quartets' around 1972, years before I discovered Advaita. I read and re-read

them, practically learning them by heart. Much later, after finding out

about advaita, I found more and more of this 'hidden' in the poems. Later

still I found that he had studied Sanskrit, published an early Bhagavad Gita

version, read F. H. Bradley for his thesis etc. I would probably have

written a book on 'Advaita in Four Quartets' but he is still in copyright. :

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Best wishes,

 

Dennis

 

 

 

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01 March 2008 05:14

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Non-Advaita introduction to Advaita

 

 

 

 

But, many years later, after I discovered Advaita through other means,

I was reminded of it. And once I'd learned of Advaita, I recognized

the (partial) Advaita nature in it.

 

Has anyone else found some " proto-Advaita " that (even indirectly) led

them to it?

 

 

 

 

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> found T. S. Eliot's 'Four Quartets' around 1972, years before I

discovered Advaita. I read and re-read them, practically learning them

by heart.

 

:-) i also love the four quartets, have read them over and over, and

discovered them about the same time. in fact i wrote this piece for

three voices using passages from the quartets:

 

www.rachmiel.org/at_the_still_point_of_the_turning_world.mp3

 

i especially like the protracted litany like ending, brings me back to

catholic masses with frankincense and latin.

 

you should listen. :-) :-)

 

rachMiel

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Namaste Shri Lema,

 

If non-dual truth is taken to be universal, it must be found in all

traditions, wherever anyone enquires to the depth of knowing at the

centre of the heart.

 

Here is another example in John Masefield's Sonnet 44:

 

O little self, within whose smallness lies

All that man was, and is, and will become,

Atom unseen that comprehends the skies

And tells the tracks by which the planets roam;

That, without moving, knows the joys of wings,

The tiger's strength, the eagle's secrecy,

And in the hovel can consort with kings,

Or clothe a God with his own mystery.

O with what darkness do we cloak thy light,

What dusty folly gather thee for food,

Thou who alone art knowledge and delight,

The heavenly bread, the beautiful, the good.

O living self, O God, O morning star,

Give us thy light, forgive us what we are.

 

In the Jewish tradition, non-duality may be found in the 'God of

Moses', whose sacred name 'Yahweh' is interpreted as 'I am that I

am'. Among the Ancient Greeks, Parmenides, Socrates and Plotinus may

be understood as non-dualists. In the Christian tradition, the

beginning of St John's Gospel may be taken as non-dualistic; and

Saint Augustine is greatly influenced by Plotinus's non-dualism, very

early in the history of the Roman Catholic church.

 

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Thank you, all. I appreciate your welcomes.

 

Dennis Waite wrote:

> I don't remember what brought me to it but I found T. S. Eliot's

> 'Four Quartets' around 1972, years before I discovered Advaita.

> I read and re-read them, practically learning them by heart. Much

> later, after finding out about advaita, I found more and more of

> this 'hidden' in the poems.

 

Thank you for your reply. Naturally advaita books are my main focus

(such as your The_Book_of_One and Back_to_the_Truth which I've found

very useful), but it's still enjoyable to find advaita in surprising

places. The Wikipedia article on " Four Quartets "

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Quartets) looks useful, and it

links to them online.

 

 

Ananda Wood wrote:

> If non-dual truth is taken to be universal, it must be found in

> all traditions, wherever anyone enquires to the depth of knowing

> at the centre of the heart.

>

> Here is another example in John Masefield's Sonnet 44

> ...

> In the Jewish tradition, non-duality may be found in the 'God of

> Moses', whose sacred name 'Yahweh' is interpreted as 'I am that I

> am'. ... In the Christian tradition, the beginning of St John's

> Gospel may be taken as non-dualistic; and Saint Augustine is

> greatly influenced by Plotinus's non-dualism

 

Thank you for that. I agree with you after only recently becoming

aware of the mystical tradition within all world religions and how

similar they are (despite the outer forms of the religions being so

different).

 

 

Kuntimaddi Sadananda wrote:

> your poem reminded me Tagor's Gitanjali. I use that for meditation.

> I grew up as vishisTaadvaitin - rejected a personified form of God

> that it teaches - bumped into JK philosophy - got thorrowly

> confused - threw all the books and became an agnostic - with

> scientist arrogance added to it - forced to attend Swami

> Chinmayanandaji class on one sunday evening thrity years ago

> becuase of my wife (I thought I may not find dinner on the table

> otherwise) - enjoyed the lecures so much that I was ready the

> next day ... God works mysterious ways.

 

I had heard of Rabindranath Tagore but have never read any of his

works. Thank you for giving me a place to start - I found that work

at http://www.schoolofwisdom.com/gitanjali.html. And thank you for

your personal story; it's good to know that others went through

strange wandering to arrive here as I did. :)

 

 

Len Mathers (Lema)

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advaitin , " lema0000 " <lema0000 wrote:

>

Dear Friends,

One may find much advaitic message and the essence of the

upanishads in Rabindranath Tagore 's work: " Sadhana " .This should

beread by spiritual seekers and compared with Upanishads/the Gita

since this work seems to be the personal statement by th epoet on

these works.

 

In Sai Smaran,

N K Srinivasan

 

 

 

 

 

> Thank you, all. I appreciate your welcomes.

>

> Dennis Waite wrote:

> > I don't remember what brought me to it but I found T. S. Eliot's

> > 'Four Quartets' around 1972, years before I discovered Advaita.

> > I read and re-read them, practically learning them by heart. Much

> > later, after finding out about advaita, I found more and more of

> > this 'hidden' in the poems.

>

> Thank you for your reply. Naturally advaita books are my main focus

> (such as your The_Book_of_One and Back_to_the_Truth which I've found

> very useful), but it's still enjoyable to find advaita in surprising

> places. The Wikipedia article on " Four Quartets "

> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Quartets) looks useful, and it

> links to them online.

>

>

> Ananda Wood wrote:

> > If non-dual truth is taken to be universal, it must be found in

> > all traditions, wherever anyone enquires to the depth of knowing

> > at the centre of the heart.

> >

> > Here is another example in John Masefield's Sonnet 44

> > ...

> > In the Jewish tradition, non-duality may be found in the 'God of

> > Moses', whose sacred name 'Yahweh' is interpreted as 'I am that I

> > am'. ... In the Christian tradition, the beginning of St John's

> > Gospel may be taken as non-dualistic; and Saint Augustine is

> > greatly influenced by Plotinus's non-dualism

>

> Thank you for that. I agree with you after only recently becoming

> aware of the mystical tradition within all world religions and how

> similar they are (despite the outer forms of the religions being so

> different).

>

>

> Kuntimaddi Sadananda wrote:

> > your poem reminded me Tagor's Gitanjali. I use that for meditation.

> > I grew up as vishisTaadvaitin - rejected a personified form of God

> > that it teaches - bumped into JK philosophy - got thorrowly

> > confused - threw all the books and became an agnostic - with

> > scientist arrogance added to it - forced to attend Swami

> > Chinmayanandaji class on one sunday evening thrity years ago

> > becuase of my wife (I thought I may not find dinner on the table

> > otherwise) - enjoyed the lecures so much that I was ready the

> > next day ... God works mysterious ways.

>

> I had heard of Rabindranath Tagore but have never read any of his

> works. Thank you for giving me a place to start - I found that work

> at http://www.schoolofwisdom.com/gitanjali.html. And thank you for

> your personal story; it's good to know that others went through

> strange wandering to arrive here as I did. :)

>

>

> Len Mathers (Lema)

>

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Hi rachMiel,

 

 

 

I finally got around to listening to your 'concise version' of the Four

Quartets. Brilliant! I really enjoyed it and will be putting it onto CD so I

can listen to it on the hi-fi. The first half reminded me very much of the

Eumenides excerpts from Family Reunion (another favorite, although I don't

get to listen to it very often). I liked the folk-style 'Time and the Bell'

and then the metamorphosis into, as you say, the litany. All very inspired

and mesmerizing! Thanks.

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Dennis

 

 

 

advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf

Of rachmiel

01 March 2008 17:45

advaitin

Re: Non-Advaita introduction to Advaita

 

 

 

> found T. S. Eliot's 'Four Quartets' around 1972, years before I

discovered Advaita. I read and re-read them, practically learning them

by heart.

 

:-) i also love the four quartets, have read them over and over, and

discovered them about the same time. in fact i wrote this piece for

three voices using passages from the quartets:

 

www.rachmiel.org/at_the_still_point_of_the_turning_world.mp3

 

i especially like the protracted litany like ending, brings me back to

catholic masses with frankincense and latin.

 

you should listen. :-) :-)

 

rachMiel

 

 

 

 

 

 

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