Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Since our discussions have been lately focusing so much on traditional texts, this leads me to ask how the old texts and their language were used in classical Sanskrit education. In India, as in other classical civilizations, a student's mind was trained primarily through the study of a classical language, and thus the science of linguistics had a central place among the traditional sciences or disciplines of learning. In the traditional system of learning, it was through linguistics that a student's mind was first trained; and all other disciplines were learned through that central training in the use of language. There is a marked contrast here with our modern education, which tends to be centred on the mechanical methods of modern physics and its computational technology. This mechanical and computational centering has come to be ingrained in our modern attitudes towards science and education; and we thus tend to take it for granted as our central source of legitimating authority, for all science and learning. Sadly, we have become thus rather prejudiced -- in our understanding of older sciences and educating disciplines, which were much more profoundly centred upon an investigation of linguistic meaning. Such an investigation is made in Bhartrihari's classic treatise, called the 'Vakyapadiya'. As with many ancient Sanskrit authors, we are not sure when Bhartrhari lived and composed his works. But it was before the seventh century CE, when the Chinese traveller I-tsing reports that the Vakyapadiya was already established in the classical curriculum of learning. Along with other Hindu classics, it was among the works that Buddhist students were taught at the great monastery of Nalanda. Like Shri Shankara, Bhartrihari is explicitly an advaitin. As the Vakyapadiya asks for meaning, it reflects back to an ultimate principle where there is no duality between what knows and what is known. All language and experience are thus understood to express that non-duality, which is thereby established as the originating source and the underlying basis of all texts and all disciplines of learning. But Shri Shankara and Bhartrihari play different roles, in the Indian tradition. Shri Shankara is a spiritual teacher -- who shows how various sadhakas (seekers) may keep on questioning back to non-dual truth, each one of them in her or his own individual experience. Bhartrihari is a classical linguist -- who analyses how all language and learning and tradition is collectively established, upon that same truth which is found in each individual's experience. What then is the relevance of Bhartrihari's Vakyapadiya treatise, for our Advaitin e-group? I'd say that it may help to show, from an advaitic point of view, how delicately the old texts and ideas are meant to be interpreted -- not for the sake of proving others wrong, but rather to find out one's own mistakes and thus to arrive at a clearer understanding. Accordingly, I'm planning a series of postings that will try to present and interpret some excerpts from the Vakyapadiya and its vritti commentary. (Traditionally, the author of the Vakyapadiya and this commentary are said to be the same, but as so often in such cases this is now a matter of scholarly dispute.) In making these translations and interpretations of the Vakyapadiya, I must confess that my very limited knowledge of Sanskrit has been greatly strained, so there are liable to be mistakes (quite probably including howlers). Where such mistakes are noticed, I would of course be very grateful for them to be pointed out and corrected. Ananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 " Where such mistakes are noticed, I would of course be very grateful for them to be pointed out and corrected. " ________________ I am still waiting for your reply Ananda ji, on your earlier post some time back on the concept of 'para' that you mentioned in the light of Bhartrhari. I had posted my views in objection to what you have mentioned for which I am yet to be answered. I am still put on hold there to read any of your further posts on Vakyapadiya. With Narayana Smrthi, Devanathan.J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Namaste Shri Devanathan, Sorry I did not reply to your message of Feb 7 on our Advaitin e-group. You were asking how Bhartrihari's three-fold distinction of vaikhari, madhyama and pashyanti could be reconciled with the four-fold distinction of vaikhari, madhyama, pashyanti and para. It is indeed a useful question, which will be treated later in the current series of postings on the Vakyapadiya. I look forward to discussing this question with you here on the Advaitin e-group, when we get to it (towards the end of this current series). Meanwhile, I am e-mailing you privately, so that you may discuss the question off-line if you wish, before it comes up for our e- group discussion. Ananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Hari OM ~ Shri Ananda ji, Pranams, Thanks for your reply. You can mail me at [ sathvatha ] on this issue. I will closely observe your proceedings on Vakyapadiya here. Also kindly mention your resource materials for me ( and other members ) here so that it will be easy for our reference to your presentations. I have Korada, K.A.S and Raghavan Pillai's Bhrahma Khanda with and also BORI, Pune edition of Trikhandi with Helaraja's commentary. Thanks again and I am looking for your e-mail soon. With Narayana Smrthi, Devanathan.J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 thnx antharyami_in <sathvatha wrote: Hari OM ~ Shri Ananda ji, Pranams, Thanks for your reply. You can mail me at [ sathvatha ] on this issue. I will closely observe your proceedings on Vakyapadiya here. Also kindly mention your resource materials for me ( and other members ) here so that it will be easy for our reference to your presentations. I have Korada, K.A.S and Raghavan Pillai's Bhrahma Khanda with and also BORI, Pune edition of Trikhandi with Helaraja's commentary. Thanks again and I am looking for your e-mail soon. With Narayana Smrthi, Devanathan.J Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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