Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Sada-ji wrote " Mind is superimposition on Brahman like a ring on gold " |||||||||||||||||||||||| Namaste Sada-ji, Is this not an overextension of the concept of superimposition. The ring is not an illusion in the way that the snake is nor does it get sublated but remains seen as a ring until it gets smelted down again. It is gold in the form of a ring. Best Wishes, Michael. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 --- ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva wrote: > Namaste Sada-ji, > Is this not an overextension of the concept of > superimposition. The ring is not an illusion in the way that the snake is > nor does it get sublated but remains seen as a ring until it gets smelted > down again. It is gold in the form of a ring. > Michael - PraNAms The correct Sanskrit word as Shankara uses is adhyAsa - Yes it is Brahman with the superimposed names and forms is the world - as Ch. Up. SAT vidya explains elaborately the sRiShTi prakaraNa. Snake example is used in adhyAsa bhAshya by Shankara for adhyAsa to indicate the mental projection - Here instead of the mind of the jiiva, it is the mind of Iswara - tat aikshata - bahu syAm - prajAyeya iti, where Brahman as Iswara visualized or meditated and then became many. In Ch. Up the gold and mud and Iron examples are given to show the creation is just vaak aarambhanam vikAraH naamadheyam. There it is very clear that gold as ring, bangle, etc similarly the Brahman as bhuuta and then after pancIkaraNam bhoutika, etc. Mind is just one of the bahu syaam -Brahman with name and form - of course more subtle than gross body. UdhAlaka provides lot of explanation to his son to show that mind is nothing but matter - product (kArya) of earth which is nothing but product of water which is nothing but product of fire which in turn is product of Brahman- product in the sense of gold becoming ornaments. Snake example Shankara gives to show that error of superimposition on rope and the world is also like that on Brahman, since Brahman has nothing to do with creation just as rope has nothing to do with snake. GoudapAda dismisses even this as creation - There was gold before gold later and now also gold - now where is the ring? Gold just happens to be in different forms as its natural mode. Substantive and superimposition are the conventional words used in the English translation of adhiShTAnam and adhyaasa. We are facing a translation problem. Yes it is like ring on gold - or gold as ring -God is the noun and ring is the name and from of that gold. I tried to specify wherever I can that it is like ring on gold or should I say ringly gold. Perhaps I could say mindly Brahman - if Brahman does not mind it! Hari Om! Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 good kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada wrote: --- ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva wrote: > Namaste Sada-ji, > Is this not an overextension of the concept of > superimposition. The ring is not an illusion in the way that the snake is > nor does it get sublated but remains seen as a ring until it gets smelted > down again. It is gold in the form of a ring. > Michael - PraNAms The correct Sanskrit word as Shankara uses is adhyAsa - Yes it is Brahman with the superimposed names and forms is the world - as Ch. Up. SAT vidya explains elaborately the sRiShTi prakaraNa. Snake example is used in adhyAsa bhAshya by Shankara for adhyAsa to indicate the mental projection - Here instead of the mind of the jiiva, it is the mind of Iswara - tat aikshata - bahu syAm - prajAyeya iti, where Brahman as Iswara visualized or meditated and then became many. In Ch. Up the gold and mud and Iron examples are given to show the creation is just vaak aarambhanam vikAraH naamadheyam. There it is very clear that gold as ring, bangle, etc similarly the Brahman as bhuuta and then after pancIkaraNam bhoutika, etc. Mind is just one of the bahu syaam -Brahman with name and form - of course more subtle than gross body. UdhAlaka provides lot of explanation to his son to show that mind is nothing but matter - product (kArya) of earth which is nothing but product of water which is nothing but product of fire which in turn is product of Brahman- product in the sense of gold becoming ornaments. Snake example Shankara gives to show that error of superimposition on rope and the world is also like that on Brahman, since Brahman has nothing to do with creation just as rope has nothing to do with snake. GoudapAda dismisses even this as creation - There was gold before gold later and now also gold - now where is the ring? Gold just happens to be in different forms as its natural mode. Substantive and superimposition are the conventional words used in the English translation of adhiShTAnam and adhyaasa. We are facing a translation problem. Yes it is like ring on gold - or gold as ring -God is the noun and ring is the name and from of that gold. I tried to specify wherever I can that it is like ring on gold or should I say ringly gold. Perhaps I could say mindly Brahman - if Brahman does not mind it! Hari Om! Sadananda Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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