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Sada-ji wrote

" Mind is superimposition on Brahman like a ring on gold "

 

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Namaste Sada-ji,

Is this not an overextension of the concept of

superimposition. The ring is not an illusion in the way that the snake is

nor does it get sublated but remains seen as a ring until it gets smelted

down again. It is gold in the form of a ring.

 

Best Wishes,

Michael.

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--- ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva wrote:

 

 

> Namaste Sada-ji,

> Is this not an overextension of the concept of

> superimposition. The ring is not an illusion in the way that the snake is

> nor does it get sublated but remains seen as a ring until it gets smelted

> down again. It is gold in the form of a ring.

>

 

Michael - PraNAms

 

The correct Sanskrit word as Shankara uses is adhyAsa - Yes it is Brahman with

the

superimposed names and forms is the world - as Ch. Up. SAT vidya explains

elaborately the sRiShTi prakaraNa. Snake example is used in adhyAsa bhAshya by

Shankara for adhyAsa to indicate the mental projection - Here instead of the

mind of

the jiiva, it is the mind of Iswara - tat aikshata - bahu syAm - prajAyeya iti,

where Brahman as Iswara visualized or meditated and then became many. In Ch. Up

the

gold and mud and Iron examples are given to show the creation is just vaak

aarambhanam vikAraH naamadheyam. There it is very clear that gold as ring,

bangle,

etc similarly the Brahman as bhuuta and then after pancIkaraNam bhoutika, etc.

Mind

is just one of the bahu syaam -Brahman with name and form - of course more

subtle

than gross body. UdhAlaka provides lot of explanation to his son to show that

mind

is nothing but matter - product (kArya) of earth which is nothing but product of

water which is nothing but product of fire which in turn is product of Brahman-

product in the sense of gold becoming ornaments. Snake example Shankara gives to

show that error of superimposition on rope and the world is also like that on

Brahman, since Brahman has nothing to do with creation just as rope has nothing

to

do with snake. GoudapAda dismisses even this as creation - There was gold before

gold later and now also gold - now where is the ring? Gold just happens to be in

different forms as its natural mode.

 

Substantive and superimposition are the conventional words used in the English

translation of adhiShTAnam and adhyaasa.

 

We are facing a translation problem. Yes it is like ring on gold - or gold as

ring

-God is the noun and ring is the name and from of that gold. I tried to specify

wherever I can that it is like ring on gold or should I say ringly gold.

 

Perhaps I could say mindly Brahman - if Brahman does not mind it!

Hari Om!

Sadananda

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kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada wrote:

--- ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva wrote:

 

> Namaste Sada-ji,

> Is this not an overextension of the concept of

> superimposition. The ring is not an illusion in the way that the snake is

> nor does it get sublated but remains seen as a ring until it gets smelted

> down again. It is gold in the form of a ring.

>

 

Michael - PraNAms

 

The correct Sanskrit word as Shankara uses is adhyAsa - Yes it is Brahman with

the

superimposed names and forms is the world - as Ch. Up. SAT vidya explains

elaborately the sRiShTi prakaraNa. Snake example is used in adhyAsa bhAshya by

Shankara for adhyAsa to indicate the mental projection - Here instead of the

mind of

the jiiva, it is the mind of Iswara - tat aikshata - bahu syAm - prajAyeya iti,

where Brahman as Iswara visualized or meditated and then became many. In Ch. Up

the

gold and mud and Iron examples are given to show the creation is just vaak

aarambhanam vikAraH naamadheyam. There it is very clear that gold as ring,

bangle,

etc similarly the Brahman as bhuuta and then after pancIkaraNam bhoutika, etc.

Mind

is just one of the bahu syaam -Brahman with name and form - of course more

subtle

than gross body. UdhAlaka provides lot of explanation to his son to show that

mind

is nothing but matter - product (kArya) of earth which is nothing but product of

water which is nothing but product of fire which in turn is product of Brahman-

product in the sense of gold becoming ornaments. Snake example Shankara gives to

show that error of superimposition on rope and the world is also like that on

Brahman, since Brahman has nothing to do with creation just as rope has nothing

to

do with snake. GoudapAda dismisses even this as creation - There was gold before

gold later and now also gold - now where is the ring? Gold just happens to be in

different forms as its natural mode.

 

Substantive and superimposition are the conventional words used in the English

translation of adhiShTAnam and adhyaasa.

 

We are facing a translation problem. Yes it is like ring on gold - or gold as

ring

-God is the noun and ring is the name and from of that gold. I tried to specify

wherever I can that it is like ring on gold or should I say ringly gold.

 

Perhaps I could say mindly Brahman - if Brahman does not mind it!

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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