Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Namaste, It seems, universally there is an inherent urge in all human beings always to excel others, to be superior and to be significant. Since this is a universal phenomenon, there must be a valid reason for this. Is it because of the knowledge ‘Aham brahmAsmi’ though not known clearly, but available with the human beings, and because of the fact that human beings are self-conscious? I request the learned members of the group to throw more light on this. Warm regards, and hari om R. S. Mani You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 --- " R.S.MANI " <r_s_mani schrieb: > Namaste, > It seems, universally there is an inherent urge in > all human beings always to excel others, to be > superior and to be significant. Since this is a > universal phenomenon, there must be a valid reason > for this. Is it because of the knowledge ‘Aham > brahmAsmi’ though not known clearly, but available > with the human beings, and because of the fact that > human beings are self-conscious? Dear Mr. Mani, namaste the urge to excel others, to be superior and to be significant is born out of fear. Fear is born out of the identification with the body. You basically strive for survival, knowing that the best will be those who survive best. It is biology that’s why it is a universal phenomenon. The realization Aham brahmAsmi means the end of the identification with the body and the end of fear. Even if Aham brahmAsmi is not realized but – because it is the truth, vaguely known somehow – it will always account for those humble moments, in which you know about the insignificance of your ego. You might give your best to express whatever needs to be expressed through you, for the sheer joy of creativity. But as soon as comparison with others - wanting to excel them, be superior to them, be significant to them - comes into play, it is a sure sign that the ego is up again and that even the vague knowing of Aham brahmAsmi is superimposed again by the illusion of “I am a body, separate from other bodies, so I have to be better than them in order to survive better.” With warm regards Om Shanti Shanti Shanti Sitara ________ Gesendet von Mail. Dem pfiffigeren Posteingang. http://de.overview.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Maniji - PraNAms Yes. I would say it is more like ownership of everything, since I am in all and all is in me - The so called -all- becomes my vibhuuti. mayaadhyakshena prakRitiH suuyate sa caraa caram-. It is the expansion of Ego- to be all inclusive. When eveything is mine or myself and there is nothing separate from me, true compasion and true loves flows. It becomes nothing to excell but someting to BE. Since 'aham brahmaasmi' - there is nothing beyond me for me to excell. All are inclusive than exclusive. Hari Om! Sadananda --- " R.S.MANI " <r_s_mani wrote: > Namaste, > It seems, universally there is an inherent urge in all human beings > always to excel others, to be superior and to be significant. Since > this is a universal phenomenon, there must be a valid reason for > this. Is it because of the knowledge ‘Aham brahmAsmi’ though not > known clearly, but available with the human beings, and because of > the fact that human beings are self-conscious? > I request the learned members of the group to throw more light on > this. > Warm regards, and hari om > > > R. S. Mani > > > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of > Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 happy gudipadwa kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada wrote: Maniji - PraNAms Yes. I would say it is more like ownership of everything, since I am in all and all is in me - The so called -all- becomes my vibhuuti. mayaadhyakshena prakRitiH suuyate sa caraa caram-. It is the expansion of Ego- to be all inclusive. When eveything is mine or myself and there is nothing separate from me, true compasion and true loves flows. It becomes nothing to excell but someting to BE. Since 'aham brahmaasmi' - there is nothing beyond me for me to excell. All are inclusive than exclusive. Hari Om! Sadananda --- " R.S.MANI " <r_s_mani wrote: > Namaste, > It seems, universally there is an inherent urge in all human beings > always to excel others, to be superior and to be significant. Since > this is a universal phenomenon, there must be a valid reason for > this. Is it because of the knowledge ‘Aham brahmAsmi’ though not > known clearly, but available with the human beings, and because of > the fact that human beings are self-conscious? > I request the learned members of the group to throw more light on > this. > Warm regards, and hari om > > > R. S. Mani > > > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of > Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 thnx Sitara Mitali <smitali17 wrote: --- " R.S.MANI " <r_s_mani schrieb: > Namaste, > It seems, universally there is an inherent urge in > all human beings always to excel others, to be > superior and to be significant. Since this is a > universal phenomenon, there must be a valid reason > for this. Is it because of the knowledge ‘Aham > brahmAsmi’ though not known clearly, but available > with the human beings, and because of the fact that > human beings are self-conscious? Dear Mr. Mani, namaste the urge to excel others, to be superior and to be significant is born out of fear. Fear is born out of the identification with the body. You basically strive for survival, knowing that the best will be those who survive best. It is biology that’s why it is a universal phenomenon. The realization Aham brahmAsmi means the end of the identification with the body and the end of fear. Even if Aham brahmAsmi is not realized but – because it is the truth, vaguely known somehow – it will always account for those humble moments, in which you know about the insignificance of your ego. You might give your best to express whatever needs to be expressed through you, for the sheer joy of creativity. But as soon as comparison with others - wanting to excel them, be superior to them, be significant to them - comes into play, it is a sure sign that the ego is up again and that even the vague knowing of Aham brahmAsmi is superimposed again by the illusion of “I am a body, separate from other bodies, so I have to be better than them in order to survive better.” With warm regards Om Shanti Shanti Shanti Sitara ________ Gesendet von Mail. Dem pfiffigeren Posteingang. http://de.overview.mail. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 advaitin , " R.S.MANI " <r_s_mani wrote: > > Namaste, > It seems, universally there is an inherent urge in all human > beings always to excel others, to be superior and to be > significant. Since this is a universal phenomenon, there must be a > valid reason for this. Is it because of the knowledge > `Aham brahmAsmi' though not known clearly, but available with the > human beings, and because of the fact that human beings are > self-conscious? Hari OM! That urge, and in fact all urges, belong to levels of body, mind and intellect. But that great mahavaakya " aham brahmAsmi " , has nothing to with identifications with body, mind or intellect. Instead, it seems all about transcending identification with body, mind and intellect. So I am not sure if that great spiritual truth " anubhava vaakya " can be used to explain behavior at the levels, which it seems to precisely and completely transcend. Also, they say such urge to excel is simply another facet of self-preservation. Ironically, the realization of mahavaakya seems to do just the opposite- destruction, sublimation or transcending the very notion of the so called " self " . ----------------------------- Hari OM! -Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Hari Om, Sri Gurubhyo Namaha, Om pUrNamadah pUrNamidaM pUrNAt pUrNamudacyate PUrNasya pUrNamAdAya pUrNamEvAvashiSyate Whenever we forget it, we do all sorts of things. Regards -- Durga Prasad --- " R.S.MANI " wrote: > Namaste, > It seems, universally there is an inherent urge in all human beings > always to excel others, to be superior and to be significant. Since > this is a universal phenomenon, there must be a valid reason for > this. Is it because of the knowledge ‘Aham brahmAsmi’ though not > known clearly, but available with the human beings, and because of > the fact that human beings are self-conscious? > I request the learned members of the group to throw more light on > this. > Warm regards, and hari om > > > R. S. Mani _______________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with . http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ins\ tantaccess_042008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Pranams Mani-ji, This is my perspective on this. Due to beginning-less avidya the ahankara or Ego is constantly equipped with a sense of separation as a consequence of its mistaken self-identity. As a result it suffers from a feeling of incompleteness. What i am is inadequate. What i am is not acceptable to the ego. This self-non-acceptability leads to a constant need for validation. This need for self-validation is what drives us to various works, to karma, to excel, to push our boundaries of effort, to reach into and test the depths of our potential, to constantly strive, to excel..only to envy... The more we achieve success the more we feel we are earning the validation of the world - be it parents, spouse,children,friends, colleagues, etc. This very need to strive for external validation betrays the fragility of the ego's bottomless structure - the pathos of its eternal dilemma - how can it ever hope to become complete by retaining its self-identity, and from engaging in a continuing, ever-futile, series of self-effort, when its real identity, though, ever available, can only be realized in the incandescence, that illumines its own annihilation. Humble pranams Hari OM Shri Gurubhyoh namah Shyam advaitin , " Srinivas Nagulapalli " <srini_nagul wrote: > > advaitin , " R.S.MANI " <r_s_mani@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > It seems, universally there is an inherent urge in all human > > beings always to excel others, to be superior and to be > > significant. Since this is a universal phenomenon, there must be a > > valid reason for this. Is it because of the knowledge > > `Aham brahmAsmi' though not known clearly, but available with the > > human beings, and because of the fact that human beings are > > self-conscious? > > Hari OM! > That urge, and in fact all urges, belong to levels of body, mind > and intellect. But that great mahavaakya " aham brahmAsmi " , has > nothing to with identifications with body, mind or intellect. > Instead, it seems all about transcending identification with body, > mind and intellect. So I am not sure if that great spiritual truth > " anubhava vaakya " can be used to explain behavior at the levels, > which it seems to precisely and completely transcend. > > Also, they say such urge to excel is simply another facet of > self-preservation. Ironically, the realization of mahavaakya seems > to do just the opposite- destruction, sublimation or transcending the > very notion of the so called " self " . > ----------------------------- > Hari OM! > -Srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 The more we achieve success the more we feel we are earning the validation of the world - be it parents, spouse,children, friends, colleagues, etc. I am so often amazed at the posting on this site! I'm exactly at the point of questioning all this in my life and am seeing the absurdity of seeking validation from any source whatsoever! Thank you for this post. This is pure synchonicity. Thank you. ______________________________\ ____ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals./tc/blockbuster/text5.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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