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I have another question from a correspondent on the website. I hope that

members (and the other moderators!) are happy for me to use the group to

answer questions which I am unable to answer. When the topic is relevant to

advaita, of course, this should not be a problem since we can all benefit

from any discussion. In this particular instance, however, I have to confess

that the subject is not really 'on topic' for the group.

 

 

 

The situation relates to where one has offended/hurt/injured others by one's

past actions. The question is whether there are specific injunctions in the

scriptures as to how one should go about 'making amends or restitution' to

those others.

 

 

 

This does not quite seem to fit in with the more general guidelines of

sAdhanA chatuShTaya sampatti. My response was as follows:

 

" I am not specifically aware of anything that addresses this topic. You see

it is not really something that is relevant to advaita. There will probably

be something in the karmakANDa section of the veda-s, since that talks about

how one ought to behave. The general instruction about how we should act

towards others is to treat them as ourselves (since they literally are in

reality). If this is a significant problem for you, I could probably find

out. There might be something in the Laws of Manu, for example. But, as I

say, this is not really advaita. Let me know if you would like me to pursue

it. "

 

 

 

Any suggestions and scriptural references welcomed!

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Dennis

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Dennis!

 

Any suggestions and scriptural references welcomed!

 

In the " suggestions " category: simple, heart-felt

sorrow and relating that sincerely is all that's

necessary! If one really feels sorrow because of an

infraction and lets the person know that, what

relevance does any scripture have compared to that???

Ones own sincere feeling is worth more than all the

scriptures! One guy's humble/not so humble

opinion...I'm comfortable with paradox.

 

 

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advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote:

>

> I have another question from a correspondent on the website.

>

> The situation relates to where one has offended/hurt/injured others

by one's

> past actions. The question is whether there are specific

injunctions in the

> scriptures as to how one should go about 'making amends or

restitution' to

> those others.

>

>

>

> This does not quite seem to fit in with the more general guidelines

of

> sAdhanA chatuShTaya sampatti. My response was as follows:

>

> " I am not specifically aware of anything that addresses this topic.

You see

> it is not really something that is relevant to advaita. There will

>

>

 

Namaste,

 

These references may be helpful: (On 'prayaschitta' or penance)

 

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/lws/lws_ch-18.html

 

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/2000/7-8/2000-7-10.shtml

 

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Karma/id/34816

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

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Namaste Dennis-ji.

 

This is very relevant to advaita - particularly to the understanding

that one is not the doer.

 

Whatever has happened has happened. If one can do amends, well and

good. If that is not possible, then there is no point being weighed

down by remorse and guilt. An Advaitin need not own doership to the

past perpetrations of the ego/BMI.

 

Let your friend, therefore, familiarize himself with the basic tenets

of Advaita and how actions are viewed/understood in Advaita. He will

then find it very easy to cast off the overpowering weight of guilt

and avoid future misdeeds.

 

Best regards.

 

Madathil Nair

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advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote:

>

> I have another question from a correspondent on the website. ...In

this particular instance, however, I have to confess

> that the subject is not really 'on topic' for the group.

>

>

>

> The situation relates to where one has offended/hurt/injured others

by one's

> past actions. The question is whether there are specific

injunctions in the

> scriptures as to how one should go about 'making amends or

restitution' to

> those others.

>

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Hi Nair-ji,

 

 

 

Very fair points. There is also the need to avoid swinging to the opposite

extreme, though, and adopting the attitude that 'there is no one doing

anything so I don't need to feel any responsibility for what is done'. I am

always conscious that beginners especially are likely to fall into this mode

of thinking when there are so many modern 'neo-advaitin' teachers

effectively saying this.

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Dennis

 

 

 

<<Let your friend, therefore, familiarize himself with the basic tenets

of Advaita and how actions are viewed/understood in Advaita. He will

then find it very easy to cast off the overpowering weight of guilt

and avoid future misdeeds.

 

Best regards.

 

Madathil Nair>>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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-- In advaitin , " Dennis Waite " <dwaite wrote:

>

> I have another question from a correspondent on the website. I hope that

> members (and the other moderators!) are happy for me to use the group to

> answer questions which I am unable to answer. When the topic is

relevant to

> advaita, of course, this should not be a problem since we can all

benefit

> from any discussion. In this particular instance, however, I have to

confess

> that the subject is not really 'on topic' for the group.

>

>

>

> The situation relates to where one has offended/hurt/injured others

by one's

> past actions. The question is whether there are specific injunctions

in the

> scriptures as to how one should go about 'making amends or

restitution' to

> those others.

>

>

>

> This does not quite seem to fit in with the more general guidelines of

> sAdhanA chatuShTaya sampatti. My response was as follows:

>

> " I am not specifically aware of anything that addresses this topic.

You see

> it is not really something that is relevant to advaita. There will

probably

> be something in the karmakANDa section of the veda-s, since that

talks about

> how one ought to behave. The general instruction about how we should act

> towards others is to treat them as ourselves (since they literally

are in

> reality). If this is a significant problem for you, I could probably

find

> out. There might be something in the Laws of Manu, for example. But,

as I

> say, this is not really advaita. Let me know if you would like me to

pursue

> it. "

>

>

>

> Any suggestions and scriptural references welcomed!

>

>

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Dennis

 

Namaste Dennis,

 

This *does* apply to the subject of Advaita/Vedanta.

 

Through what instrument does one gain self-knowledge?

 

Through the antahkarana, the 'inner' instrument,

the mind.

 

What type of mind is necessary for the gain of

knowledge? A mind which has antahkarana suddhi.

 

How is such a mind to be acquired? Through the

settling of the account with Ishwara.

 

What does that mean? The settling of the mind's

'debts.'

 

If I have offended another through my actions then

I have a debt to be settled. And until I do, my mind

will be troubling me to a certain extent. And the extent

to which it is troubling me, (it is preoccupied), is

the extent to which the mind is not available for

the pramana to work.

 

How do I settle the debt? First of all, if with

no one else, be honest with yourself about it.

 

Then there are other things which can be done

which probably fall within prayaschitta.

 

Vac tapas, tell the truth, don't hide it, be honest.

Don't pretend, etc. Having one's words be truthful,

helpful and loving.

 

All of these are spoken of within the Upanishads.

In the Mundaka, there are several verses devoted

to this topic.

 

These are not necessarily within the karma kandas

alone. Vedanta is a complete and total teaching.

There is not one iota left out. A complete and

thorough study with a qualified teacher from within

the tradition and one will discover this to be true.

 

Pranams,

Durga

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Hi Durga-ji,

 

 

 

Agree with all you say. I obviously realized that any mental/emotional

confusion needs to be resolved to make the mind clear to see the truth. It

was just that, reading through the list of qualities in sAdhanA chatuShTaya

- shamAdi ShaTka sampatti, it was not obvious where this fitted. Plus, in

all of my reading and involvement in Egroups, discussions etc over the past

20 years, I have never encountered this particular topic. Does Shankara

address it anywhere? Do you have the Mundaka references? Presumably he talks

about it in his commentary to this (which unfortunately I do not have).

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Dennis

 

 

 

advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf

Of Durga

Monday, April 21, 2008 6:41 PM

advaitin

Re: Making amends

 

 

 

This *does* apply to the subject of Advaita/Vedanta.

 

All of these are spoken of within the Upanishads.

In the Mundaka, there are several verses devoted

to this topic.

 

These are not necessarily within the karma kandas

alone. Vedanta is a complete and total teaching.

There is not one iota left out. A complete and

thorough study with a qualified teacher from within

the tradition and one will discover this to be true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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