Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 praNAms Hare Krishna The discussion thread *brahman and Ishvara*, sofar has seen various notes, comments & clarification from well known scholars, saints & seers like Sri Dayananda Saraswati, Swamy Vivekananda, Neem Karoli Baba, Ramakrishna Parama Hamsa etc. etc. It is indeed required to have the thoughts of those noble souls on the very complex concept of Ishvara especially when we are trying to understand this concept from the perspective of non-dual philosophy...But, to my surprise, we are not trying to understand this concept based on what our mUlAchArya shankara bhagavadpAda said in his prasthAna trayi bhAshya..When we see his sUtra bhAshya, we would come across some startling evidences which definitely demands the suitable answers from those who personifies the brahman on the basis of theology & says there is no difference between *god* realization and Atma jnAna. Below is my short & hurried attempt to clarify certain things on the concept of Ishvara. No need to mention, this is *my understanding* of the subject based on my guruji's teachings. We, the Indians, with the theological background, traditionally worship various gods & goddesses with various names & forms. We say Ishvara is sarva shakta (omnipotent), sarvajna (omniscient), bestower of karma phala (karmAdhyaksha) etc. etc. Interestingly, herein South India, Ishvara means shiva bhagavAn (not nArAyaNa/vishNu or any other god :-)), when someone say " I am going to Ishvara temple* we invariably understand that he is going to shiva temple..In paNchAyatana pooja also while offering pooja to shiva, we recite the maNtra : IshAnaH sarvavidyAnAM, IshvaraH sarvabhutAnAm, brahmAdhipati, brahmaNOdhipati, brahmAshivOme astu sadAshivOm...etc...For us (South Indian smArthA-s) Ishvara means shivabhagavAn he is also called maheshvara (supreme lord) , rudra, vishvEshvara (kAshi vishvanAtha) (lord of the universe), manjunAtha etc. etc. and our traditional belief system goes like this Ishvara has the mAya as his potency and with it he does the creation work and delude the jIva-s and put them in bondage. To get rid of this mAyA bandhana (bondage), jiva has to surrender to god/Ishvara and by IshvarAnugraha (grace of god) one will get solvation or mOksha... Now, if we analyse this process of solvation from the non-dual philosophical view point, the seeker of truth in the path of knowledge (jnAna mArga) first would ask how can there be a lord-hood (Ishitavya) in absolute non-dual brahman?? To exercise the power of lord, dont we require the duality i.e. ruler and the ruled?? how come this duality is possible when shruti saying there is absolutely no duality in brahman?? (neha nAnAsti kiMcana)..vedAnta's answer to this question is, for the teachings sake, first it accepts the universe and its seed form (avyakta rUpa) which in turn conjured up by avidyA (from adhyArOpa drushti), then brahman is considered as the substratum of this false appearance. Since there is no other source apart from brahman to this jagat, vedAnta superimposes the qualities of omniscience, omnipotence etc. on this brahman & calls it Ishvara. So, from this vyAvahArik view point, vedAnta attributes the Ishvara/lord hood on brahman whereas in ultimate reality brahman is never ever changeable, mutable, subject to vikAra & it is ONE and THE SAME. Ishvara, jeeva, jagat bhedha holds good only in transactional reality of the world...There is no god and his influence on jeeva in absolute non dual reality...Hence shruti assertion *atra deva adeva* (bruhadAraNyaka upanishad).. More to follow next week or this week end... Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar PS : (a) I must confess here that, the above is the observation & understanding of my mind which is immersed in advaitic teaching:-)) ...but in heart I am a dAsAnudAsa (slave's slave) of my beloved lord bhagavAn Sri Krishna...But I dont think this dAsabhAva would come in the way of my understanding of advaita vEdAnta as propounded by shankara bhagavadpoojyapAda:-)) (b) onceagain I request the prabhuji-s of this list to clarify whether there is any difference between apara brahman & Ishvara according to advaita?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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