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Dear Advaitin Group members,

 

I am a new member of your group. I have lost my ID [EGO?] and also

password, so I am using the Rediffmail ID for sending my message.

 

I have been reading a few books on Advaita and also about Sri Ramana Maharishi

and Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj and their teachings.

 

 

I have a couple of basic queries:

 

1] We understand that there is only consciousness and nothing else and we and

our worlds are only illusions. Why should this illusion occur to the off shoot

of consciousness i.e. the mind? In other words why should the mind arise at all?

Is it a case of the SELF playing tricks?

2] What would be stage of the Jnani who has merged with the SELF? How does he

carry on his affairs in this world? I guess this is purely a hypothetical case

and should cross the bridge if and when we come to it.

 

I hope I can elicit an answer from the members.

 

Regards,

 

P Raghunath

 

 

 

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I'm a newbie to the group too. Just decided I'll take a shot at answering this.

 

> 1] We understand that there is only consciousness and nothing else and we and

our worlds are only illusions. Why should this illusion occur to the off shoot

of consciousness i.e. the mind? In other words why should the mind arise at all?

Is it a case of the SELF playing tricks?

 

The world is an illusion only from the viewpoint of the absolute.

As long as I consider myself separate from the world, the world is a

reality which is as real as I am.

My mind is a part of that world, just like my body and all other

objects I see around me.

My mind is a tool, the best that I have, to help me bridge this separation.

 

> 2] What would be stage of the Jnani who has merged with the SELF? How does he

carry on his affairs in this world? I guess this is purely a hypothetical case

and should cross the bridge if and when we come to it.

 

This again depends one who's viewpoint is taken.

From the viewpoint of the Jnani, he is one with the world and there

are no 'affairs to carry on'.

From the viewpoint of the others, he continues to carry on his affairs

in the world, like everyone else, but in a far better way, always

joyful - always a source of joy. They are living markers of the path,

which all of us can easily see and follow.

 

Hari OM

 

Sanjay

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Dear Sanjay,

 

Tks finally for someone who has replied. My question is very basic

 

Just consider this: If only consciousness were all that is , why should this

discussion take place, Why should the mind rise at all? I think there should be

a timeless, space less, lifeless or whatever the opposite term for lifeless...

something beyond description, be present instead of the present state. For

simplicity sake imagine consciousness as sky without stars, clouds, without

colour without any decriptive terms. Can you imagine only serenity in such a

scene? Now tell me from where does the individual mind spring from?

 

Why should there be two points of view?

 

Raghunath

 

 

 

On Sat, 10 May 2008 Sanjay Varma wrote :

>I'm a newbie to the group too. Just decided I'll take a shot at answering this.

>

> > 1] We understand that there is only consciousness and nothing else and we

and our worlds are only illusions. Why should this illusion occur to the off

shoot of consciousness i.e. the mind? In other words why should the mind arise

at all? Is it a case of the SELF playing tricks?

>

>The world is an illusion only from the viewpoint of the absolute.

>As long as I consider myself separate from the world, the world is a

>reality which is as real as I am.

>My mind is a part of that world, just like my body and all other

>objects I see around me.

>My mind is a tool, the best that I have, to help me bridge this separation.

>

> > 2] What would be stage of the Jnani who has merged with the SELF? How does

he carry on his affairs in this world? I guess this is purely a hypothetical

case and should cross the bridge if and when we come to it.

>

>This again depends one who's viewpoint is taken.

> From the viewpoint of the Jnani, he is one with the world and there

>are no 'affairs to carry on'.

> From the viewpoint of the others, he continues to carry on his affairs

>in the world, like everyone else, but in a far better way, always

>joyful - always a source of joy. They are living markers of the path,

>which all of us can easily see and follow.

>

>Hari OM

>

>Sanjay

 

 

 

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Shree Raghunath - There were series of articles on the analysis of the mind that

I wrote few months ago. You can pull them out from archives. Shree Dennis Waite

is also subscribing those in amicable form in his website.

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 5/17/08, RAGHUNATH PARTHASARATHY <san_vind wrote:

 

Tks finally for someone who has replied. My question is very basic

 

? Now tell me from where does the individual mind spring from?

 

Why should there be two points of view?

 

Raghunath

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