Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 How Sri Ramana described the difference between meditation and self-inquiry and their role in Self-Realization. 2007/06/30/meditation-self-inquiry-and-self-realization/ Namaste and love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Hi I understand that the heart source acts as a magnet to draw the inquiry from mind into itself as the source of mind. If one is more surrendered in the heart, does the power of the heart as a magnet then increase in drawing the inquiry down into the heart source? In other words, is there a benefit in practising both paths, even though they lead to the same point? I suspect there is but I don't know if Sri Ramana was ever asked this question. Thanks for any responses. Peace and love Raph , " Harsha " wrote: > > How Sri Ramana described the difference between meditation and self-inquiry > and their role in Self-Realization. > > > > 2007/06/30/meditation-self-inquiry-and-self- realization/ > > > > Namaste and love to all > > Harsha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Harsha And, a very nice article, thank you. Raph , " Raph " <beingnothing00 wrote: > > Hi > > I understand that the heart source acts as a magnet to draw the > inquiry from mind into itself as the source of mind. > > If one is more surrendered in the heart, does the power of the heart > as a magnet then increase in drawing the inquiry down into the heart > source? > > In other words, is there a benefit in practising both paths, even > though they lead to the same point? I suspect there is but I don't > know if Sri Ramana was ever asked this question. > > Thanks for any responses. > > Peace and love > Raph > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > How Sri Ramana described the difference between meditation and > self-inquiry > > and their role in Self-Realization. > > > > > > > > 2007/06/30/meditation-self-inquiry-and-self- > realization/ > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Dear Raph, Sri Ramana spoke about the Heart often. And yes, Heart is the overwhelming magnet that pulls the mind that has the maturity to not resist. /LunarPages/archive/MagazineV2/harsha/heart.htm l Namaste and love to all Harsha On Behalf Of Raph Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:59 PM Re: Meditation, Self-Inquiry, and Self-Realization Hi I understand that the heart source acts as a magnet to draw the inquiry from mind into itself as the source of mind. If one is more surrendered in the heart, does the power of the heart as a magnet then increase in drawing the inquiry down into the heart source? In other words, is there a benefit in practising both paths, even though they lead to the same point? I suspect there is but I don't know if Sri Ramana was ever asked this question. Thanks for any responses. Peace and love Raph , " Harsha " wrote: > > How Sri Ramana described the difference between meditation and self-inquiry > and their role in Self-Realization. > > > > 2007/06/30/meditation-self-inquiry-and-self- realization/ > > > > Namaste and love to all > > Harsha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Dear Raph, As others have written, the Heart Centre, on the right side of the chest is NOT an object to be focussed on, but it CAN be used as a doorway or portal into which focused attention will enter into the interior searching for the source of the I Thought. I can verify this by my own experience. The Heart is a synonym for the Self, and is therefore without spatial location. After searching for the source of the I Thought repeatedly ,into the interior, the power of the Heart or Self draws the mind inwards. Ramana often said some words to the effect that the Guru gives a push from without and then pulls from within. Practicing both paths- i.e. Self Enquiry , and the Bhakti or Devotion, which come from the Heart, eventually merge, and lead to the source of one's Being i.e. the Self or Heart. THe Ramana Gita Chapter 5 is called the Science OF The Heart and is worth studying on this whole question of the significance of the heart in his teaching. I trust this somewhat helps to clarify the point. All best wishes, Alan --- Raph <beingnothing00 wrote: > Hi > > I understand that the heart source acts as a magnet to draw the > inquiry from mind into itself as the source of mind. > > If one is more surrendered in the heart, does the power of the heart > as a magnet then increase in drawing the inquiry down into the heart > source? > > In other words, is there a benefit in practising both paths, even > though they lead to the same point? I suspect there is but I don't > know if Sri Ramana was ever asked this question. > > Thanks for any responses. > > Peace and love > Raph > > , " Harsha " wrote: > > > > How Sri Ramana described the difference between meditation and > self-inquiry > > and their role in Self-Realization. > > > > > > > > 2007/06/30/meditation-self-inquiry-and-self- > realization/ > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Dear Harsha Thanks for the article, which I will read and digest. Dear Alan Many thanks, I do appreciate and understand these points, but I feel still left with the question I posed below, as to whether it is worthwhile practising the two paths together, not just one or the other. For the moment, I'll assume they are. Looking at it another way, I understand that both paths merge, but I was under the impression that this was right " at the end " when the absolute source is reached and not before? Thanks for the pointer to the Chapter 5 of the Gita, which I will also study. Peace and love Raph , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Raph, > > As others have written, the Heart Centre, on the right side of the chest > is NOT an object to be focussed on, but it CAN be used as a doorway or > portal into which focused attention will enter into the interior searching > for the source of the I Thought. I can verify this by my own experience. > > The Heart is a synonym for the Self, and is therefore without spatial > location. After searching for the source of the I Thought repeatedly > ,into the interior, the power of the Heart or Self draws the mind inwards. > Ramana often said some words to the effect that the Guru gives a push from > without and then pulls from within. Practicing both paths- i.e. Self > Enquiry , and the Bhakti or Devotion, which come from the Heart, > eventually merge, and lead to the source of one's Being i.e. the Self or > Heart. > > THe Ramana Gita Chapter 5 is called the Science OF The Heart and is worth > studying on this whole question of the significance of the heart in his > teaching. > > I trust this somewhat helps to clarify the point. > > All best wishes, > > Alan > > --- Raph <beingnothing00 wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I understand that the heart source acts as a magnet to draw the > > inquiry from mind into itself as the source of mind. > > > > If one is more surrendered in the heart, does the power of the heart > > as a magnet then increase in drawing the inquiry down into the heart > > source? > > > > In other words, is there a benefit in practising both paths, even > > though they lead to the same point? I suspect there is but I don't > > know if Sri Ramana was ever asked this question. > > > > Thanks for any responses. > > > > Peace and love > > Raph > > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > > > How Sri Ramana described the difference between meditation and > > self-inquiry > > > and their role in Self-Realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/06/30/meditation-self-inquiry-and-self- > > realization/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Dear Raph, In my experience it is best if the two paths are practiced together, if possible. They tend to complement each other on the way. When one is difficult the other may be easy and vice versa. One travels on two legs as it were. They conjoin near the end, as you say. All best wishes, as ever, alan --- Raph <beingnothing00 wrote: > Dear Harsha > > Thanks for the article, which I will read and digest. > > Dear Alan > > Many thanks, I do appreciate and understand these points, but I feel > still left with the question I posed below, as to whether it is > worthwhile practising the two paths together, not just one or the > other. For the moment, I'll assume they are. > > Looking at it another way, I understand that both paths merge, but I > was under the impression that this was right " at the end " when the > absolute source is reached and not before? > > Thanks for the pointer to the Chapter 5 of the Gita, which I will > also study. > > Peace and love > Raph > > > > , Alan Jacobs > <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > > > Dear Raph, > > > > As others have written, the Heart Centre, on the right side of the > chest > > is NOT an object to be focussed on, but it CAN be used as a > doorway or > > portal into which focused attention will enter into the interior > searching > > for the source of the I Thought. I can verify this by my own > experience. > > > > The Heart is a synonym for the Self, and is therefore without > spatial > > location. After searching for the source of the I Thought > repeatedly > > ,into the interior, the power of the Heart or Self draws the mind > inwards. > > Ramana often said some words to the effect that the Guru gives a > push from > > without and then pulls from within. Practicing both paths- i.e. > Self > > Enquiry , and the Bhakti or Devotion, which come from the Heart, > > eventually merge, and lead to the source of one's Being i.e. the > Self or > > Heart. > > > > THe Ramana Gita Chapter 5 is called the Science OF The Heart and > is worth > > studying on this whole question of the significance of the heart > in his > > teaching. > > > > I trust this somewhat helps to clarify the point. > > > > All best wishes, > > > > Alan > > > > --- Raph <beingnothing00 wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I understand that the heart source acts as a magnet to draw the > > > inquiry from mind into itself as the source of mind. > > > > > > If one is more surrendered in the heart, does the power of the > heart > > > as a magnet then increase in drawing the inquiry down into the > heart > > > source? > > > > > > In other words, is there a benefit in practising both paths, > even > > > though they lead to the same point? I suspect there is but I > don't > > > know if Sri Ramana was ever asked this question. > > > > > > Thanks for any responses. > > > > > > Peace and love > > > Raph > > > > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > How Sri Ramana described the difference between meditation and > > > self-inquiry > > > > and their role in Self-Realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/06/30/meditation-self-inquiry-and-self- > > > realization/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Dear Harsha There were many interesting things about this collection of writings. One question I have - can you say more about " the knot of the Heart " ? Many thanks Peace and love Raph , " Harsha " wrote: > > Dear Raph, > > Sri Ramana spoke about the Heart often. And yes, Heart is the overwhelming > magnet that pulls the mind that has the maturity to not resist. > > /LunarPages/archive/MagazineV2/harsha/he art.htm > l > > Namaste and love to all > Harsha > > > > On Behalf Of Raph > Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:59 PM > > Re: Meditation, Self- Inquiry, and > Self-Realization > > Hi > > I understand that the heart source acts as a magnet to draw the > inquiry from mind into itself as the source of mind. > > If one is more surrendered in the heart, does the power of the heart > as a magnet then increase in drawing the inquiry down into the heart > source? > > In other words, is there a benefit in practising both paths, even > though they lead to the same point? I suspect there is but I don't > know if Sri Ramana was ever asked this question. > > Thanks for any responses. > > Peace and love > Raph > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > How Sri Ramana described the difference between meditation and > self-inquiry > > and their role in Self-Realization. > > > > > > > > 2007/06/30/meditation-self-inquiry-and-self- > realization/ > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Dear Alan Yes, I had not really thought of one path complementing the other until recently. Whilst for me the surrender seems a lot further progressed than the self inquiry, I have noticed the former give rise to a moderate reduction in pointless activity of mind generally and as the surrender now goes deeper, the self inquiry recently seems more productive in quieting and stilling the mind during practice and in an ongoing manner generally. So as you say, often one easier when the other is not and vice versa and two legs indeed! Thanks for helping me to clarify this. Peace and love Raph , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Raph, > > In my experience it is best if the two paths are practiced together, if > possible. They tend to complement each other on the way. When one is > difficult the other may be easy and vice versa. One travels on two legs as > it were. They conjoin near the end, as you say. > > > All best wishes, > > as ever, > > alan > > --- Raph <beingnothing00 wrote: > > > Dear Harsha > > > > Thanks for the article, which I will read and digest. > > > > Dear Alan > > > > Many thanks, I do appreciate and understand these points, but I feel > > still left with the question I posed below, as to whether it is > > worthwhile practising the two paths together, not just one or the > > other. For the moment, I'll assume they are. > > > > Looking at it another way, I understand that both paths merge, but I > > was under the impression that this was right " at the end " when the > > absolute source is reached and not before? > > > > Thanks for the pointer to the Chapter 5 of the Gita, which I will > > also study. > > > > Peace and love > > Raph > > > > > > > > , Alan Jacobs > > <alanadamsjacobs@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raph, > > > > > > As others have written, the Heart Centre, on the right side of the > > chest > > > is NOT an object to be focussed on, but it CAN be used as a > > doorway or > > > portal into which focused attention will enter into the interior > > searching > > > for the source of the I Thought. I can verify this by my own > > experience. > > > > > > The Heart is a synonym for the Self, and is therefore without > > spatial > > > location. After searching for the source of the I Thought > > repeatedly > > > ,into the interior, the power of the Heart or Self draws the mind > > inwards. > > > Ramana often said some words to the effect that the Guru gives a > > push from > > > without and then pulls from within. Practicing both paths- i.e. > > Self > > > Enquiry , and the Bhakti or Devotion, which come from the Heart, > > > eventually merge, and lead to the source of one's Being i.e. the > > Self or > > > Heart. > > > > > > THe Ramana Gita Chapter 5 is called the Science OF The Heart and > > is worth > > > studying on this whole question of the significance of the heart > > in his > > > teaching. > > > > > > I trust this somewhat helps to clarify the point. > > > > > > All best wishes, > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > --- Raph <beingnothing00@> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I understand that the heart source acts as a magnet to draw the > > > > inquiry from mind into itself as the source of mind. > > > > > > > > If one is more surrendered in the heart, does the power of the > > heart > > > > as a magnet then increase in drawing the inquiry down into the > > heart > > > > source? > > > > > > > > In other words, is there a benefit in practising both paths, > > even > > > > though they lead to the same point? I suspect there is but I > > don't > > > > know if Sri Ramana was ever asked this question. > > > > > > > > Thanks for any responses. > > > > > > > > Peace and love > > > > Raph > > > > > > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > How Sri Ramana described the difference between meditation and > > > > self-inquiry > > > > > and their role in Self-Realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/06/30/meditation-self-inquiry-and- self- > > > > realization/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Dear Raph, No one has yet answered your question abou the Knot, so I shall try. The Knot is called the Granthi, and there is quite a long description in the Ramana Gita in Chapter 9. Briefly this seems to be a knot, physiological, between the body and the Self, caused by our incessant identification with the mind-body complex. The knot is very subtle and I prefer to think of it is a ganglion, caused by the nadis or nerves. It has to be severed for Realisation to actually happen. Self Enquiry, Diving Into the Heart, and total Surrender of the egotistic mind to the Self are the certain and only ways. I hope this is helpful, Yours in the grace of Sri Bhagavan, As ever, Alan , " Raph " <beingnothing00 wrote: > > Dear Harsha > > There were many interesting things about this collection of > writings. One question I have - can you say more about " the knot of > the Heart " ? > > Many thanks > > Peace and love > Raph > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > Dear Raph, > > > > Sri Ramana spoke about the Heart often. And yes, Heart is the > overwhelming > > magnet that pulls the mind that has the maturity to not resist. > > > > > /LunarPages/archive/MagazineV2/harsha/he > art.htm > > l > > > > Namaste and love to all > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raph > > Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:59 PM > > > > Re: Meditation, Self- > Inquiry, and > > Self-Realization > > > > Hi > > > > I understand that the heart source acts as a magnet to draw the > > inquiry from mind into itself as the source of mind. > > > > If one is more surrendered in the heart, does the power of the > heart > > as a magnet then increase in drawing the inquiry down into the > heart > > source? > > > > In other words, is there a benefit in practising both paths, even > > though they lead to the same point? I suspect there is but I don't > > know if Sri Ramana was ever asked this question. > > > > Thanks for any responses. > > > > Peace and love > > Raph > > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > > > How Sri Ramana described the difference between meditation and > > self-inquiry > > > and their role in Self-Realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/06/30/meditation-self-inquiry-and-self- > > realization/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Dear Alan I did not realise the knot of the heart is the same as the knot of Granthi, which I have so far only just heard about. Many thanks for this explanation and the pointer to the Ramana Gita ch9. Peace and love Raph , " alan jacobs " <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Raph, > > No one has yet answered your question abou the Knot, so I shall try. > > The Knot is called the Granthi, and there is quite a long description > in the Ramana Gita in Chapter 9. Briefly this seems to be a knot, > physiological, between the body and the Self, caused by our incessant > identification with the mind-body complex. The knot is very subtle > and I prefer to think of it is a ganglion, caused by the nadis or > nerves. It has to be severed for Realisation to actually happen. Self > Enquiry, Diving Into the Heart, and total Surrender of the egotistic > mind to the Self are the certain and only ways. > > I hope this is helpful, > > Yours in the grace of Sri Bhagavan, > > As ever, > > Alan > > , " Raph " <beingnothing00@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Harsha > > > > There were many interesting things about this collection of > > writings. One question I have - can you say more about " the knot of > > the Heart " ? > > > > Many thanks > > > > Peace and love > > Raph > > > > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raph, > > > > > > Sri Ramana spoke about the Heart often. And yes, Heart is the > > overwhelming > > > magnet that pulls the mind that has the maturity to not resist. > > > > > > > > > /LunarPages/archive/MagazineV2/harsha/he > > art.htm > > > l > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Raph > > > Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:59 PM > > > > > > Re: Meditation, Self- > > Inquiry, and > > > Self-Realization > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I understand that the heart source acts as a magnet to draw the > > > inquiry from mind into itself as the source of mind. > > > > > > If one is more surrendered in the heart, does the power of the > > heart > > > as a magnet then increase in drawing the inquiry down into the > > heart > > > source? > > > > > > In other words, is there a benefit in practising both paths, even > > > though they lead to the same point? I suspect there is but I > don't > > > know if Sri Ramana was ever asked this question. > > > > > > Thanks for any responses. > > > > > > Peace and love > > > Raph > > > > > > , " Harsha " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > How Sri Ramana described the difference between meditation and > > > self-inquiry > > > > and their role in Self-Realization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/06/30/meditation-self-inquiry-and- self- > > > realization/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste and love to all > > > > > > > > Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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