Linga haven't nothing with phallic symbol - third part

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Linga haven't nothing with phallic symbol - third part, short about

Three Lingas

 

 

Three main Lingas we have.

 

1.

 

First is material form which usually call Linga. Shiva, Kriya, and Ishta

is older names for this outside or material form. We have and few parts

of one very holy Linga in Kaaba which have and next two deeper forms)!

Today have many cults which haven't real knowledge about inner form and

way for enter in process bhakti, jnana, dhyana - and have only parts of

this knowledge because usually make only puja.

Inside each regular Kriya/Ishta linga is Shiva linga.

Kriya/Ishta Linga present form of awaking conciousness which is feeling

conciousness (bhakti, pure love, first devotional state, dominant kriya

shakti - any action God is love) and have and deeper level conciousness

inside as willing conciousness (dominant icha shakti, love have exact

real direction, or life, quality, quantity, intention,..).

 

 

2.

Next and inner form of linga is Pranalinga.

This is Linga from inner light. Saints from old time teach people about

form Linga because this great souls see " Divine soul in Linga " . Divine

Soul has divine aura which is exact form linga. Position of Soul which

old saint see (in aura) is form Shiva Linga.

Now we have two forms in one. Outside is like sharp ball on the water

(sphere which haven't part in down), and inside is form body in position

watching Linga on the left palm.

Shivalinga is symbolic form: part sphere form is only symbolic form of

head (haven't nothing with phallus), middle form of Shivalinga is

symbolic form of left palm and higher part of body from heart/navel to

neck (haven't nothing with vulva) and on palm is subtle/invisible Linga,

lower part of Shivalinga is symbolic form of lower part of body from

navel to legs.

Pranalinga present form of sleeping conciousness which is cognition

conciousness (third devotional or bhakti state, where is dominant jnana

shakti - any direct knowing is God love) and have and deeper level

conciousness inside as intuition conciousness. This is point reflection

conciousness on the lower states or enter in higher form (execution)

conciousness which is only base reflection of intuition conciousness.

 

 

3.

 

Deepest form Linga is Mahalinga.

This is very high dynamic form, with very high speed rotations and

quietness (of extremely higher forms inner lights and inner sounds which

is incorporate simultaneously), and all this is complete beyond mind.

Very difficult find any reasonable words for intellect. Much deepest and

complexes forms than in illusion when we look car which go in one

direction, but all time wheels go on opposite direction. Here all forms

have source or there is real place for resolve all illusions and then

direct see God (or enter in complete conciousness). This extreme

rotations have outside form Linga (sphere without lower part).

There where all (para, chit, ananda, jnana, icha and kriya) shaktis

deepest with Shiva, became completed in One Conciousness or enter in

reflection as lower conciousness.

This conciousness can abide as one conciousness on lower level as

Pranalinga or as conciousness which reflected as thought in mind and

intellect (or became omitted, or limited conciousness) which present as

all outside forms of pranalinga.

Mahalinga present form of deep sleeping conciousness which is execution

conciousness (fifth devotional or bhakti state) and have and deeper

level conciousness inside as union conciousness (sixth devotional or

bhakti state) when haven't separation in conciousness.

 

Because each of this three Lingas have two Lingas, exactly we have 6

Lingas*** or 6 levels conciousness or conciousness and five reflections.

Now is open: not any creation all is only reflection, all is one

conciousness, or all is One!

Real teachings is only part of this! This is and real meaning in

doctrines hexagram, pentagram, and six days creation,..

 

 

Next facts

 

Shape of outside Linga is like shape inside Lingas which is from lights.

This Linga's shape is open only through inner experiences.

When real saint call God, or better say make proper invocation to

sanctify shape Linga (which made in one stone), and when properly make

sanctify one small part of conciousness enter in stone, and stone became

sacred. Of course and today many try make Linga, but result is very

different from this what will be necessary.

Linga is from oldest teaching, and connection with this knowledge have

and spread great prophet Mohammed (and today we have only few parts one

from this sacred stone in Kaaba). Have doctrines which want explain God

and His creation like eggs, but haven't this crucial static part or

horizontal base Linga. Haven't any part under base complete invisible

and static on the all levels, and when seeker truth try to find anything

deeper.Shape Linga (and through original Kaaba's sacred stone) on this

way teach us: God is inside all His emanation (energy, creation) as base

which give all.

 

Original colour Linga is white in Gold / Krita Yuga, but today is black

because in last period is Kali Yuga!

This black colour is originate and with colour pigment in pineal gland,

which exact deep indigo colour (very close black).

 

Today we have many religion variations and teachings, and very probably

lose many crucial points. Direct prayer to God (five prayers per day

teach us God through Islam) is very simple form, but today people have

many rules and variations. This is bad, through this rules nobody can't

enter deeper then level which produce this rules! This is not God. When

we accept deepest form which higher then any intellectual efforts, and

we for this have all time direct highest God's form or Linga! This way

is only intuitional way or through open heart (consciously way).

 

Form developed pineal gland is form Linga, now pineal gland is in

rudiment state, through psychic development pineal gland became active

and in bigger form like small linga (sweet cherry size).

Old syntagmas Philosophy Stone, Elixir Immortality is linga of course:

linga outside, pineal gland inside body, or better say linga on all and

deeper levels!

 

One span in front (where finish magnetic's part of aura) of forehead is

lens pineal gland, for helping in develop this lens we must put in same

place linga which must be full initiate for this praxis.

 

Pineal gland have and cells very like one type cells in eyes, or better

say we can through pineal gland see one part of vibration. This is sixth

sense or Intuition Eye, Third Eye (have many names in traditions).

 

 

Dear seeker truth, thanks for reading and asking, we continue.. I hope,

after this few words you can find better meaning of Linga (or sacred

stones with this shape).

 

 

***

 

 

Six Bhaktis through:

 

Six Lingas---------------Six Angas-------------- Six Bhaktis

 

Acaralinga ------------- Bhakta ---------------- Srddhabhakti

Gurulinga -------------- Mahesa --------------- Nisthabhakti

Sivalinga --------------- Prasadi --------------- Avadhanabhakti

Jangamalinga --------- Pranalingi ------------ Anubhavabhakti

Prasadalinga ---------- Sharana -------------- Anandabhakti

Mahalinga -------------- Aikya ----------------- Samarasabhakti

 

This is part of old teaching which we today call Shivayoga as perfect

Bhakti Yoga - Integral Bhakti Yoga - Integral Yoga.

 

Bhakti is as Divine Key! Bhakti is first and last! Bhakti is all!

 

Only Bhakti is enough.

Om Namah Shivaya

 

Warm Regards

Mahapratibhawan

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

advaitin , " Branko Ivatovic "

<mahapratibhawan wrote:

>

>

> Linga haven't nothing with phallic symbol - third part, short about

> Three Lingas

>

>

 

Namaskarams Sri Mahapratibhawanji,

 

I learned of this phallic interpretation of the linga only recently

(I think) coming from the Western scholars or the criticism of them

by Hindu writers. Needless to say, the typical worshipper of Shiva

has no clue of it.

 

However very recently, an elderly friend of mine casually gave

another interpretation of the linga. He said that the linga is a

joint representation of both the phallus and the yoni, and symbolizes

the fact that everything in manifest existence is the union of the

male and female principle, or that ONE Reality appears as two. ETC.

It is parallel to the yin-yang of Taoism (?). I did not want to

extend that discussion at the time, but it comforted me that the

linga is a potentially powerful symbol, even with this ruthless

imagery.

 

thollmelukaalkizhu

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

Linga haven't nothing with phallic symbol - third

part, short about

> Three Lingas

 

On the other hand there is nothing wrong with relating

linga as a phallic symbol. It might be only our

culturally biased ideas that would see anything wrong

with relating religious, spiritual ideas the the sex

organs. After all, they are part of our bodies at this

level of relativity, just as any other " part " of the

body is...just a thought.

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advaitin , Steve Stoker <otnac6 wrote:

 

> On the other hand there is nothing wrong with relating

> linga as a phallic symbol. It might be only our

> culturally biased ideas that would see anything wrong

> with relating religious, spiritual ideas the the sex

> organs. After all, they are part of our bodies at this

> level of relativity, just as any other " part " of the

> body is...just a thought.

>

Thank you Steve for this thought, that puts things in perspective,

without the cultural baggage.

At the gross level, the only way Life could create Life and go on

creating vehicles to exhaust karmas is through the sexual act in every

species of sentient beings, so in a way everything related to it

(organs or the act itself) should be seen as sacred or as sacred as

any other object of worship within the Lord's creation.

The fact that it might or might not be a phallic symbol is irrelevant,

because if it is, it makes sense, and if it isn't... also.

 

Yours in All,

Mouna

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advaitin , Steve Stoker <otnac6 wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> Linga haven't nothing with phallic symbol - third

> part, short about

> > Three Lingas

>

> On the other hand there is nothing wrong with relating

> linga as a phallic symbol. It might be only our

> culturally biased ideas that would see anything wrong

> with relating religious, spiritual ideas the the sex

> organs. After all, they are part of our bodies at this

> level of relativity, just as any other " part " of the

> body is...just a thought.

>

 

 

Steveji, yes; but in my version, a meaning is also presented that

gives (a profound) basis for such a symbol. Just to say, " Linga is

phallic symbol " leaves it open to denigration by the ignorant. So

more care must be taken by those who insist that that is the intended

symbolism.

 

For the typical Hindu, the Linga is the symbol of the Lord Shiva. It

is for them not a man-made construct requiring such an academic

analysis. But Shiva is Ardhanari: symbolism is nothing scary to the

worshippers of Shiva. And the original post shows, there are other

plausible viewpoints as well.

 

 

thollmelukaalkizhu

[Guest guest]

Tholl,

 

Just to say, " Linga is

phallic symbol " leaves it open to denigration by the

ignorant.

 

Yes, to state it that flatly has the tone of " linga is

ONLY a phallic symbol " , I understand what you're

saying...it is open to denigration stated in that way.

[Guest guest]

From : H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy

Pranams to all.

 

Respected Sirs,

What has the the above subject to do with Vedanta ?

Do the ongoing discussions lead to know one's true nature which is

the goal of Vedanta?

This is Advaitin Group. My feeling is that it will be of immense

benefit to one and all if the topics are confined to Vedanta alone .

 

Is it possible to discuss the following topic?

Topic:

aSarIratA hi AtmanaH svarUpam ||

The nature of Atman/The Self surely is unembodiedness.

[Chandogya Upanishad; Mantra 8-3-4]

 

nAsya AtmanaH antarbahirvA caitanyAdanyadrUpamasti,

caitanyamEva tu nirantaramasya svarUpam ||

Atman/the Self has no internal or external aspect apart from

Pure Consciousness, Its nature being mere impartite consciousness

without any interstices.

[brahmasutra ; 3-2-16]

The above quotations are from Sri Shankara's commentaries to the

above stated mantra and Brahmasutra.

 

na tAvadyOga Eva asti SarIrEnAtmanaH sadA ||

All the time the Self has no relation with the body itself.

[sri Sureshwaracharya; Naishkarmyasiddhi; Ch. 1 Sloka 95]

 

To conclude:

AtmA hi nAma svarUpam ||

The self is the same as one's very nature.

[sri Shankara; Brahmasutra 1-1-6]

 

The Sages advise us to make efforts to realize the above stated

facts in our lives HERE and NOW. The Sruti says ;

" anyavAcO vimuMcatha || Do not indulge in other talks "

I request all the members to pardon me for expressing my thoughts.

 

With warm and respectful regards,

Sreenivasa Murthy.

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advaitin , " narayana145 " <narayana145

wrote:

>

> From : H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy

> Pranams to all.

>

> Respected Sirs,

> What has the the above subject to do with Vedanta ?

> Do the ongoing discussions lead to know one's true nature which is

> the goal of Vedanta?

> This is Advaitin Group. My feeling is that it will be of immense

> benefit to one and all if the topics are confined to Vedanta

alone .

>

 

Sri Sreenivasaji,

 

The topic is of interest to most Vedantins/Hindus since they also

maintain a link with the sampradaya and Bharatha-culture. The

acharyas of the Shankara mathas explicitly promote Bhakthi among the

people, and most Vedantins are eager to learn about the Gods as

discussed in our puranas and ithihasas. They are scriptures that are

flowers of the roots that are the Upanishads; a Vedantin (esp Indian)

is arguably ignorant of the import of Vedanta if he/she feels

slighted by a discussion of Shiva or Vishnu. Do you ever read of our

acharyas speak that way?

 

Besides, the discussion naturally shows how the symbolism of Shiva

embodies Advaita.

 

thollmelukaalkizhu

 

 

O Destroyer,

The burning ground is your playground,

Your companions are monsters,

Besmeared are you,

With the ashes of funeral pyres,

Your garland is a string of skulls.

Your name and nature

Appear inauspicious,

Yet, O Giver of blessings,

Those who meditate upon you,

They are supremely auspicious.

 

- Shiva Mahimna Stotra