Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 dmarhas - PraNAms Now you asked a question - suppose some one say I am self-realized, are you going to believe him or are you going to do some testing to see if he has realized or not. Is there any litmus test to differentiate one is jnaani and the other is not? You have to have a faith in the statement of the person who says he is realized. Hence it is said only by the grace of god one is led to a realized master. The best thing to do is to continue your saadhana or spiritual practices. You are in the right list and many of your doubts can get clarified by many of the learned members in this list. Have an open mind and contemplate on the teaching. As the mind gets purified, you will discover your teacher yourself. No teacher will tell you that he is your teacher. You have to discover your teacher when you find that you have gaining incredible help from the teaching. Teaching will not come unless you ask since no one else knows your doubts. That is the methodology practices from Vedic times - as all Upanishads involve a student approaching a teacher and asking questions to clarify his understanding. Hence whatever opportunities present themselves, keep an open mind and study and learn Vedanta. The teaching becomes clearer and clearer, but only by asking. Ultimately a teacher is one who points to the scriptures as authority not to himself. Hope this helps. Hari Om! Sadananda --- On Tue, 8/19/08, dmarhas <dmarhas wrote: Just wondering if there are any true Self-realized teachers living in our times? If so, how can I get in touch with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Sri Sadanandaji,This is absolutely correct. It took me several years during which several unexpected things happened upon me (one of which came from one of the moderators on this group, although I knew nothing of this group at the time) that eventually led me to the teacher I currently have. It happened exactly as you describe it. I am now a firm believer that when the student is ready the teacher will appear. I can also state that it was quite worth the wait and it turns out that without the things that happened during the time I was "on my own" even if I met my teacher, I may not have seen her for what she is. Isvara's order is perfect. OMEdadvaitin From: kuntimaddisadaDate: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:50:16 -0700 Re: Is thee a Jnani living among us today? dmarhas - PraNAms Now you asked a question - suppose some one say I am self-realized, are you going to believe him or are you going to do some testing to see if he has realized or not. Is there any litmus test to differentiate one is jnaani and the other is not? You have to have a faith in the statement of the person who says he is realized. Hence it is said only by the grace of god one is led to a realized master. The best thing to do is to continue your saadhana or spiritual practices. You are in the right list and many of your doubts can get clarified by many of the learned members in this list. Have an open mind and contemplate on the teaching. As the mind gets purified, you will discover your teacher yourself. No teacher will tell you that he is your teacher. You have to discover your teacher when you find that you have gaining incredible help from the teaching. Teaching will not come unless you ask since no one else knows your doubts. That is the methodology practices from Vedic times - as all Upanishads involve a student approaching a teacher and asking questions to clarify his understanding. Hence whatever opportunities present themselves, keep an open mind and study and learn Vedanta. The teaching becomes clearer and clearer, but only by asking. Ultimately a teacher is one who points to the scriptures as authority not to himself. Hope this helps. Hari Om! Sadananda --- On Tue, 8/19/08, dmarhas <dmarhas > wrote: Just wondering if there are any true Self-realized teachers living in our times? If so, how can I get in touch with them? See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. Check It Out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Namaste: I recommend the following article by Swami Sivananda who provides some clues for finding a Janni! Description of Jivanmukta (Jnani) by Swami Sivananda: http://www.dlshq.org/saints/jivanmukta.htm Sadaji has already provided some valid reasons why it is impossible for an anjnani to find the Jnani. This means that faith is the only means to achive what we truly believe! regards, Ram Chandran advaitin , " dmarhas " <dmarhas wrote: > > Just wondering if there are any true Self-realized teachers living in > our times? If so, how can I get in touch with them? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Respected community, Please forgive my ignorance. It appears to me that I have been going in circles (may be a helix) and may have to continue this way a long time. I thought, maybe there is someone like Bhagwan Shri Raman Maharishi I may be able to meet in person who will end my confusion. The teachings make perfect sense even when looked at from the most analytic and critical stand-point. The other day I visited Bhagwan Shri Raman Maharishi's website. Watching the video gave me some semblance of understanding and a glimmer of hope. I guess this is the dark part of my path where I must rely on the faith based on intellectual understanding and may be a determination to continue my practice. What I am not sure about is how to practice properly. I have been practicing the Anapana Sati as taught by Buddha. Is there is a distinction between this practice and other breath meditation practices? Are there other breath meditation practices more conducive to the realization of Self? Sincerely. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Ed Akehurst <nichiketa wrote: > > > Sri Sadanandaji, > > This is absolutely correct. It took me several years during which several > unexpected things happened upon me (one of which came from one of the > moderators on this group, although I knew nothing of this group at the time) > that eventually led me to the teacher I currently have. It happened exactly > as you describe it. I am now a firm believer that when the student is ready > the teacher will appear. I can also state that it was quite worth the wait > and it turns out that without the things that happened during the time I was > " on my own " even if I met my teacher, I may not have seen her for what she > is. Isvara's order is perfect. OM > > Ed > > > ________________________________ > advaitin > kuntimaddisada > Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:50:16 -0700 > Re: Is thee a Jnani living among us today? > > dmarhas - PraNAms > > Now you asked a question - suppose some one say I am self-realized, are you > going to believe him or are you going to do some testing to see if he has > realized or not. Is there any litmus test to differentiate one is jnaani and > the other is not? > > You have to have a faith in the statement of the person who says he is > realized. Hence it is said only by the grace of god one is led to a realized > master. > > The best thing to do is to continue your saadhana or spiritual practices. > You are in the right list and many of your doubts can get clarified by many > of the learned members in this list. Have an open mind and contemplate on > the teaching. As the mind gets purified, you will discover your teacher > yourself. No teacher will tell you that he is your teacher. You have to > discover your teacher when you find that you have gaining incredible help > from the teaching. > > Teaching will not come unless you ask since no one else knows your doubts. > That is the methodology practices from Vedic times - as all Upanishads > involve a student approaching a teacher and asking questions to clarify his > understanding. > > Hence whatever opportunities present themselves, keep an open mind and study > and learn Vedanta. The teaching becomes clearer and clearer, but only by > asking. > > Ultimately a teacher is one who points to the scriptures as authority not to > himself. > > Hope this helps. > > Hari Om! > Sadananda > > --- On Tue, 8/19/08, dmarhas <dmarhas wrote: > > Just wondering if there are any true Self-realized teachers living in > our times? If so, how can I get in touch with them? > > > > ________________________________ > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. > Check It Out! > -- Dildar Marhas 563-650-8995 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Ed - PraNAms -and God bless you for sharing your experience. Hari Om! Sadananda --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Ed Akehurst <nichiketa wrote: This is absolutely correct. ..... I am now a firm believer that when the student is ready the teacher will appear. I can also state that it was quite worth the wait and it turns out that without the things that happened during the time I was " on my own " even if I met my teacher, I may not have seen her for what she is. Isvara's order is perfect. OM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Blessed self - thanks for sharing your feelings. The best advice I can give you at this stage is just to invoke His divine grace on you. Contemplate on Him in whatever form or concept you visualize Him to be, that takes your mind from mundane cause-effect relation ships to that stage where your mind becomes calm and quiet. Do not worry about -isms at this stage - Buddhism or advaita etc. See that divine presence in you and in everything that you see - wherever the life is pulsating - in the little plant, in the beautiful flower, in the Lillis and the roses, in the sun rise and sunset, in the heat and the cold, in mountains and the lakes - see His divine presence. He is there - but we need to see Him without getting carried away with external fleeting factors. See His presence in you - in spite of just mass of flesh and bones - carbohydrates and minerals - see the miracle of life that is pulsating in you - you are able to breath whether you are awake or asleep, you are able to see, talk, smell, feel the emotions and think right from wrong, and recollect from memory - nay you can even lift you hand and fold your fingers - all because of the life that is pulsating you - we do not know what life is but we know that we are alive. That capacity to function - is because of His grace. Recognize His presence and invoke his blessing - that is meditation. That quietens you mind and makes you contemplative - to inquire who is that I, the very essence in me, because of which I am conscious of everything in me and everything outside me - that existence-consciousness that you are - shift your attention to that - do not conceptualize what that I is - shift your attention to that because of which you are even able to conceptualize. That, my friend, is meditation. Breathing exercises etc all is just to bring your mind to be in a position to do this. Forget all theories and concepts. They are meant to help you only to contemplate on the nature of yourself. Spend some time everyday morning and night - invoking His grace to see him in you - in every action of yours, see his presence. That is meditation. Once you see his presence in you, let all your actions that come out of you be worthy of His presence in you. No more selfishness, no more greedyness, no more I and I want - all the concerns is how can I please Him so that He can be always with me. That is the essence of yoga or of all yogas. In the process your mind becomes calm and serene and ready to absorb about the truth of your self that is being discussed in this list serve. There is nothing dark side in you. Drope all worng notions. You are son of immortality since Lord is residing you - all you have to do is recognize His divine presence. When His brilliant presence is there as the very life principle itself, where can there be darkness. Everything is illumined because of His presence only. With my PraNAms to you to His glory Hari Om! Sadananda --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Dildar Marhas <dmarhas wrote: Please forgive my ignorance. It appears to me that I have been going in circles (may be a helix) and may have to continue this way a long time. I thought, maybe there is someone like Bhagwan Shri Raman Maharishi I may be able to meet in person who will end my confusion. The teachings make perfect sense even when looked at from the most analytic and critical stand-point. The other day I visited Bhagwan Shri Raman Maharishi's website. Watching the video gave me some semblance of understanding and a glimmer of hope. I guess this is the dark part of my path where I must rely on the faith based on intellectual understanding and may be a determination to continue my practice. What I am not sure about is how to practice properly. I have been practicing the Anapana Sati as taught by Buddha. Is there is a distinction between this practice and other breath meditation practices? Are there other breath meditation practices more conducive to the realization of Self? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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