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dmarhas - PraNAms

 

Now you asked a question - suppose some one say I am self-realized, are you

going to believe him or are you going to do some testing to see if he has

realized or not. Is there any litmus test to differentiate one is jnaani and the

other is not?

 

You have to have a faith in the statement of the person who says he is realized.

Hence it is said only by the grace of god one is led to a realized master.

 

The best thing to do is to continue your saadhana or spiritual practices. You

are in the right list and many of your doubts can get clarified by many of the

learned members in this list. Have an open mind and contemplate on the teaching.

As the mind gets purified, you will discover your teacher yourself. No teacher

will tell you that he is your teacher. You have to discover your teacher when

you find that you have gaining incredible help from the teaching.

 

Teaching will not come unless you ask since no one else knows your doubts. That

is the methodology practices from Vedic times - as all Upanishads involve a

student approaching a teacher and asking questions to clarify his understanding.

 

Hence whatever opportunities present themselves, keep an open mind and study and

learn Vedanta. The teaching becomes clearer and clearer, but only by asking.

 

Ultimately a teacher is one who points to the scriptures as authority not to

himself.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 8/19/08, dmarhas <dmarhas wrote:

 

 

 

Just wondering if there are any true Self-realized teachers living in

our times? If so, how can I get in touch with them?

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Sri Sadanandaji,This is absolutely correct. It took me several years during which several unexpected things happened upon me (one of which came from one of the moderators on this group, although I knew nothing of this group at the time) that eventually led me to the teacher I currently have. It happened exactly as you describe it. I am now a firm believer that when the student is ready the teacher will appear. I can also state that it was quite worth the wait and it turns out that without the things that happened during the time I was "on my own" even if I met my teacher, I may not have seen her for what she is. Isvara's order is perfect. OMEdadvaitin From: kuntimaddisadaDate: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:50:16 -0700 Re: Is thee a Jnani living among us today?

 

 

 

dmarhas - PraNAms

 

Now you asked a question - suppose some one say I am self-realized, are you going to believe him or are you going to do some testing to see if he has realized or not. Is there any litmus test to differentiate one is jnaani and the other is not?

 

You have to have a faith in the statement of the person who says he is realized. Hence it is said only by the grace of god one is led to a realized master.

 

The best thing to do is to continue your saadhana or spiritual practices. You are in the right list and many of your doubts can get clarified by many of the learned members in this list. Have an open mind and contemplate on the teaching. As the mind gets purified, you will discover your teacher yourself. No teacher will tell you that he is your teacher. You have to discover your teacher when you find that you have gaining incredible help from the teaching.

 

Teaching will not come unless you ask since no one else knows your doubts. That is the methodology practices from Vedic times - as all Upanishads involve a student approaching a teacher and asking questions to clarify his understanding.

 

Hence whatever opportunities present themselves, keep an open mind and study and learn Vedanta. The teaching becomes clearer and clearer, but only by asking.

 

Ultimately a teacher is one who points to the scriptures as authority not to himself.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

--- On Tue, 8/19/08, dmarhas <dmarhas > wrote:

 

Just wondering if there are any true Self-realized teachers living in

our times? If so, how can I get in touch with them?

 

 

 

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Namaste:

 

I recommend the following article by Swami Sivananda who provides

some clues for finding a Janni!

 

Description of Jivanmukta (Jnani) by Swami Sivananda:

 

http://www.dlshq.org/saints/jivanmukta.htm

 

Sadaji has already provided some valid reasons why it is impossible

for an anjnani to find the Jnani. This means that faith is the only

means to achive what we truly believe!

 

regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

advaitin , " dmarhas " <dmarhas wrote:

>

> Just wondering if there are any true Self-realized teachers living

in

> our times? If so, how can I get in touch with them?

>

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Respected community,

 

Please forgive my ignorance. It appears to me that I have been going

in circles (may be a helix) and may have to continue this way a long

time. I thought, maybe there is someone like Bhagwan Shri Raman

Maharishi I may be able to meet in person who will end my confusion.

 

The teachings make perfect sense even when looked at from the most

analytic and critical stand-point. The other day I visited Bhagwan

Shri Raman Maharishi's website. Watching the video gave me some

semblance of understanding and a glimmer of hope. I guess this is the

dark part of my path where I must rely on the faith based on

intellectual understanding and may be a determination to continue my

practice.

 

What I am not sure about is how to practice properly. I have been

practicing the Anapana Sati as taught by Buddha. Is there is a

distinction between this practice and other breath meditation

practices? Are there other breath meditation practices more conducive

to the realization of Self?

 

Sincerely.

 

 

 

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Ed Akehurst <nichiketa wrote:

>

>

> Sri Sadanandaji,

>

> This is absolutely correct. It took me several years during which several

> unexpected things happened upon me (one of which came from one of the

> moderators on this group, although I knew nothing of this group at the time)

> that eventually led me to the teacher I currently have. It happened exactly

> as you describe it. I am now a firm believer that when the student is ready

> the teacher will appear. I can also state that it was quite worth the wait

> and it turns out that without the things that happened during the time I was

> " on my own " even if I met my teacher, I may not have seen her for what she

> is. Isvara's order is perfect. OM

>

> Ed

>

>

> ________________________________

> advaitin

> kuntimaddisada

> Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:50:16 -0700

> Re: Is thee a Jnani living among us today?

>

> dmarhas - PraNAms

>

> Now you asked a question - suppose some one say I am self-realized, are you

> going to believe him or are you going to do some testing to see if he has

> realized or not. Is there any litmus test to differentiate one is jnaani and

> the other is not?

>

> You have to have a faith in the statement of the person who says he is

> realized. Hence it is said only by the grace of god one is led to a realized

> master.

>

> The best thing to do is to continue your saadhana or spiritual practices.

> You are in the right list and many of your doubts can get clarified by many

> of the learned members in this list. Have an open mind and contemplate on

> the teaching. As the mind gets purified, you will discover your teacher

> yourself. No teacher will tell you that he is your teacher. You have to

> discover your teacher when you find that you have gaining incredible help

> from the teaching.

>

> Teaching will not come unless you ask since no one else knows your doubts.

> That is the methodology practices from Vedic times - as all Upanishads

> involve a student approaching a teacher and asking questions to clarify his

> understanding.

>

> Hence whatever opportunities present themselves, keep an open mind and study

> and learn Vedanta. The teaching becomes clearer and clearer, but only by

> asking.

>

> Ultimately a teacher is one who points to the scriptures as authority not to

> himself.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Hari Om!

> Sadananda

>

> --- On Tue, 8/19/08, dmarhas <dmarhas wrote:

>

> Just wondering if there are any true Self-realized teachers living in

> our times? If so, how can I get in touch with them?

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts.

> Check It Out!

>

 

 

 

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Ed - PraNAms -and God bless you for sharing your experience.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

--- On Tue, 8/19/08, Ed Akehurst <nichiketa wrote:

 

 

 

This is absolutely correct.

.....

I am now a firm believer that when the student is ready the teacher will

appear. I can also state that it was quite worth the wait and it turns out that

without the things that happened during the time I was " on my own " even if I met

my teacher, I may not have seen her for what she is. Isvara's order is perfect.

OM

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Blessed self - thanks for sharing your feelings.

 

The best advice I can give you at this stage is just to invoke His divine grace

on you. Contemplate on Him in whatever form or concept you visualize Him to be,

that takes your mind from mundane cause-effect relation ships to that stage

where your mind becomes calm and quiet. Do not worry about -isms at this stage -

Buddhism or advaita etc. See that divine presence in you and in everything that

you see - wherever the life is pulsating - in the little plant, in the beautiful

flower, in the Lillis and the roses, in the sun rise and sunset, in the heat and

the cold, in mountains and the lakes - see His divine presence. He is there -

but we need to see Him without getting carried away with external fleeting

factors.

 

See His presence in you - in spite of just mass of flesh and bones -

carbohydrates and minerals - see the miracle of life that is pulsating in you -

you are able to breath whether you are awake or asleep, you are able to see,

talk, smell, feel the emotions and think right from wrong, and recollect from

memory - nay you can even lift you hand and fold your fingers - all because of

the life that is pulsating you - we do not know what life is but we know that we

are alive. That capacity to function - is because of His grace. Recognize His

presence and invoke his blessing - that is meditation. That quietens you mind

and makes you contemplative - to inquire who is that I, the very essence in me,

because of which I am conscious of everything in me and everything outside me -

that existence-consciousness that you are - shift your attention to that - do

not conceptualize what that I is - shift your attention to that because of which

you are even able to

conceptualize. That, my friend, is meditation.  Breathing exercises etc all is

just to bring your mind to be in a position to do this. Forget all theories and

concepts.  They are meant to help you only to contemplate on the nature of

yourself.  Spend some time everyday morning and night - invoking His grace to

see him in you - in every action of yours, see his presence. That is

meditation.  Once you see his presence in you, let all your actions that come

out of you be worthy of His presence in you. No more selfishness, no more

greedyness, no more I and I want - all the concerns is how can I please Him so

that He can be always with me. That is the essence of yoga or of all yogas.

 

In the process your mind becomes calm and serene and ready to absorb about the

truth of your self that is being discussed in this list serve.  There is nothing

dark side in you. Drope all worng notions. You are son of immortality since Lord

is residing you - all you have to do is recognize His divine presence. When His

brilliant presence is there as the very life principle itself, where can there

be darkness. Everything is illumined because of His presence only.

 

With my PraNAms to you to His glory

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 8/19/08, Dildar Marhas <dmarhas wrote:

 

Please forgive my ignorance. It appears to me that I have been going

in circles (may be a helix) and may have to continue this way a long

time. I thought, maybe there is someone like Bhagwan Shri Raman

Maharishi I may be able to meet in person who will end my confusion.

 

The teachings make perfect sense even when looked at from the most

analytic and critical stand-point. The other day I visited Bhagwan

Shri Raman Maharishi's website. Watching the video gave me some

semblance of understanding and a glimmer of hope. I guess this is the

dark part of my path where I must rely on the faith based on

intellectual understanding and may be a determination to continue my

practice.

 

What I am not sure about is how to practice properly. I have been

practicing the Anapana Sati as taught by Buddha. Is there is a

distinction between this practice and other breath meditation

practices? Are there other breath meditation practices more conducive

to the realization of Self?

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