akhandaakaara vRitti

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praNAms Sri Ramachandran prabhuji

Hare Krishna

I am assuming that we both agree that Sastriji is a better Sankrit and Vedantic scholar than either of us.

> If I am not an intruder here, I regret to tell you that you are trying to drag these general discussions to the personal level!! with that I am afraid the objectivity of these discussion being lost...Where did Sri Nair prabhuji question the Sanskrit abilities of Sri Sastri prabhuji?? What was the need for Sanskrit knowledge comparison here?? Also I dont know where Sri Nair Prabhuji has critisized Sri Sastri prabhuji!! He has asked some genuine doubts for the clarification from our most respected Sri Sastri prabhuji..thats what I could make out from his mail....Do you think asking doubts to the senior prabhuji-s in the list is an offence?? Kindly pardon me if I poked my nose unnecessarily here..

As for as I can see that no fool-proof definition of either a.v. or self-realization can ever exist! This is the paradox of Vedanta as

for as I know! This is like trying to describe the 'Black-hole' after entering into the black-hole!

> yes prabhuji, nobody can ever give suitable definitions to these terms..but dont you think, despite knowing this we are all still writing, reading, hearing volumes & volumes:-)) You can see how Sri Durga mAtAji has beautifully explained the concept in her recent mail !! Let the ship move on prabhuji..let us not put the *inexplicable* anchor to it :-))

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

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advaitin , Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr wrote:

Let the ship move on prabhuji..let us not put the *inexplicable*

anchor to it :-))

 

 

> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

>

>

> bhaskar

 

Dear Bhaskar-ji,

Very poetic. I did not know you had so much poetry in you. Letus have

more of your poetry.

Pl do not be offended by this. It is in a lighter vein. We have had

too much of heated discussions. Even an old man like me needs some

relaxation.

Best wishes,

S.N.Sastri

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advaitin , " Durga " <durgaji108 wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Nairji,

>

> I've taken excerpts from two of your posts to address,

> the first being from post number 42221, and the second

> from post number 42236. I did this because it seems to

> me that the points you make in the excerpts from those

> two posts are of a piece. Below, please find the excerpts

> from your two posts, and below that my response to them.

>

> Pranams,

> Durga

> Lastly, there is a story which I would like to relate,

> that I may have told here before, but I think that is

> it quite relevant to this discussion.

>

> In March of 2008 I had the good fortune to attend some

> talks which Swami Dayanandaji gave in Sydney Australia.

> One evening some musicians, who are closely associated

> with Swamiji, gave a small concert. They sang bhajans

> of Swamiji's compostion, including a bhajan to mother

> Meenakshi.

>

> Although I did not have the good fortune to be born a Hindu,

> nor do I know Sanskrit aside from a few words, I realized that

> the beauty of the bhajan was quite profound.

>

> Some of us accompanied Swamiji to the airport in Sydney

> prior to his return to India. We all sat together at a

> table in an airport café drinking coffee. I remarked

> to Swamiji how beautiful the Meenakshi bhajan was

> although I couldn't understand the words.

>

> Sitting there Swamiji quietly began to hum. Then he began

> to sing a few verses in Sanskrit. Then in English he

> translated, " That very maya which brings forth the mithya

> creation, gives liberation in the form of a mithya vritti.

> The akhanda akara vritti "

>

> I know that my memory cannot do justice to the true

> beauty of Swamiji's words. With those words, the understanding

> and the bhava they created in our hearts, and tears in our eyes

> we accompanied Swamiji to the gate and he was gone.

>

> Pranams,

> Durga

 

Dear Durga-ji,

Your presentation is superb. All of us will be happy to have more

frequent contributions from you.Your Guru bhakti is commendable.

Best wishes,

S.N.Sastri

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Bhasksr-ji,

I do not know of any view that Brahman is phala vyapya. Please state

where such a view has been stated.

Humble praNAms respected Sri Sastri prabhuji

Hare Krishna

Kindly let us not go deep into this discussion..Just I was trying to bring the point that *some commentators* ( I definitely know that you know the commentator) who advocate the view that wherever there is vrutti vyApti jnAna there must be phala vyApti. Though these discussions mainly aimed towards cognition & determination of external objects, they extend this theory to brahma jnAna also and say even though the self is self-effulgent, when vrutti rUpa jnAna dawns chidAbhAsa also shines with equal potence..so to *feel/gain* the *complete* light of the self, phala vyApti jnAna is required in the form of samAdhi experience..so that this chidAbAsa will become insignificant just like a candle flame in a beating after noon sun :-)) Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

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Dear Bhaskar-ji,

Very poetic. I did not know you had so much poetry in you. Letus have

more of your poetry.

Pl do not be offended by this. It is in a lighter vein. We have had

too much of heated discussions. Even an old man like me needs some

relaxation.

Best wishes,

S.N.Sastri

Humble praNAms respected Sri Sastri prabhuji

Hare Krishna

Thanks for your nice compliments prabhuji :-)) I am happy to note that atleast some of my remarks brought smile on your face :-)) I know my statements are mere *aprabuddha pralApaH*..but I enjoy doing it prabhuji...I dont feel I am offended even if you fire me openly :-))....You have unconditional rights to mend my ways, if you think my *contributions* to the list are too mischevous & indisciplined...

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

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It may please be noted that the so-called aKanDAkAravRutti is also being illumined by aKaMDacaitanya which is one's own true svarUpa.

praNAms Sri Srinivasa Murthy prabhuji

Hare Krishna

You are absolutely right prabhuji...I'd like to recall Smt. Durga mAtAji's words here..She said : " That very maya which brings forth the mithya

creation, gives liberation in the form of a mithya vritti. The akhanda akara vritti " Yes, that vrutti which has given the jnAna to us also in the sphere of mAya only..It is because of the simple fact that this vidyA in vrutti rUpa is also a *vishaya* and antaHkaraNa dharma which comes under the category of nAma & rUpa..This vidya & avidyA cannot be anyway the attributes of nirvishesha brahman..Shankara explains this beautifully in taitirIya shruti bhAshya : vivekAvivekau rUpAdivat pratyakshAvupalabhyete antaHkaraNastau....tasmAt nAma rUpa pakshasyaiva vidyAvidye...nAma rUpe cha na Atma dharmau..How simple and straightforward these statement is it not?? As you rightly pointed out that which illumines the akhandAkArvrutti, that which is there in & out of that nAma rUpa is what akhanda chaitanya...

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

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Namaste Durgaji.

 

Your post 42244.

 

Beautiful! Eloquent! I join Dennisji in admiring the beauty of your

post. The last part of it really touched my heart.

 

However, I am sorry I can't go with the general drive of it. Not

because I am unable to understand you but for the very simple reason

elicited below about which I don't have to write at length.

 

You said:

 

QUOTE

 

When we look at a jnani from the POV of duality, what do we see? We

see a body/mind/sense organs individual who is performing actions. I

don't think we need to doubt the information that

our eyes give us in this regard, I think rather we need to look at

what the words, 'the jnani does not act' are actually pointing out.

 

UNQUOTE

 

There are two dangers lurking in your statement.

 

Firstly, you think that you are looking at a jnAni. You have

therefore taken it for granted that you can recognize one. That is

like a vritti recognizing akhandAkAra vritti. Besides, by using

indefnite article " a " , you have conceded the possibility of a

plurality of jnAnis. Both these are advaitically infeasible. This

is adhyAsa. Please don't counter me here by asking wasn't Bh. Ramana

a jnAni, wasn't Shankara a jnAni and hadn't they lived in the view of

ajnAnis etc. Such questions belong to the realm of ajnAna. If

Advaita is right, jnAni is not an experiential phenomenon that can

manifest in plurality. What meets the eyes is only an ajnAna

distortion of Truth. We have to accept this basic fact even from

our POV of duality.

 

Secondly, you don't think we need to doubt the information that our

eyes give. I assume eyes here represent the rest of our senses

backed by the mind. Well, then, why don't we go by what the senses

say and take this world of duality that we confront as the very

truth? Why do we first establish an error in our perception,

christen it adhyAsa and then take the route of Vedanta to correct it?

 

All your labour to reconcile a jnAni's actions vis a vis his true

actionlessness in the absolute sense is, thus, based on your

understanding of *what you consider as a jnAni* or a *so-called

jnAni*. Durgaji, I have nothing personally against a plurality of

jnAnis. I very much enjoy their presence as you and others do and

stand to benefit from their wisdom. My only concern is that when we

talk Advaita, we have to stick to the basic tenets of Advaita and

call a spade a spade. I can't agree to any dilution of the truth.

 

Here is how you paraphrased Swamiji's translation of the Meenakshi

hymn:

 

" That very maya which brings forth the mithya

creation, gives liberation in the form of a mithya vritti.

The akhanda akara vritti "

 

I am fond of Devi Meenakshi and chant several of Her hymns. However,

I can't identify the source of this one which is extremely beautiful

and calls for pages and pages of interpretation. On the surface, it

looks like akhandAkAravritti is equated here to a mithyA vritti.

Nothing can be far from truth. We need to locate the verse and

understand it in the right perspective.

 

Many thanks to Sunderji for bringing in that Bh. Ramana quote right

in time. Peterji had quoted it before in his 34708 in the discussion

thread which I recommended to Mounaji in the beginning. When there

is a tendency to harp on inadvaitic concepts or oxymorons like *a

jnAni's mind*, we need to pull ourselves up and do some mananaM on

Bhagawan's statement: " Vritti is the function of the mind, whereas

the continuous consciousness transcends (repeat transcends) the mind.

This is the natural, primal state of the Jnani or the liberated

being. "

 

Best regards to all.

 

Madathil Nair

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Namaste Murthyji and Bhaskarji.

 

But haven't we agreed that a.v., although it is called vritti, is

actual swarUpajnAna. Then, why do we see it as different from

akhaNDa caitanya?

 

Best regards.

 

Madathil Nair

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advaitin , Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr wrote:

>

>

> It may please be noted that the so-called aKanDAkAravRutti is also

being

> illumined by aKaMDacaitanya which is one's own true svarUpa.

>

>

> praNAms Sri Srinivasa Murthy prabhuji

>

>

> Hare Krishna

>

>

> You are absolutely right prabhuji...I'd like to recall Smt. Durga

mAtAji's

> words here..She said : " That very maya which brings forth the mithya

> creation, gives liberation in the form of a mithya vritti. The

akhanda

> akara vritti " Yes, that vrutti which has given the jnAna to us

also in the

> sphere of mAya only..It is because of the simple fact that this

vidyA in

> vrutti rUpa is also a *vishaya* and antaHkaraNa dharma which comes

under

> the category of nAma & rUpa..This vidya & avidyA cannot be anyway

the

> attributes of nirvishesha brahman..Shankara explains this

beautifully in

> taitirIya shruti bhAshya : vivekAvivekau rUpAdivat

pratyakshAvupalabhyete

> antaHkaraNastau....tasmAt nAma rUpa pakshasyaiva vidyAvidye...nAma

rUpe cha

> na Atma dharmau..How simple and straightforward these statement is

it not??

> As you rightly pointed out that which illumines the

akhandAkArvrutti, that

> which is there in & out of that nAma rUpa is what akhanda

chaitanya...

>

>

> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

>

>

> bhaskar

>

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But haven't we agreed that a.v., although it is called vritti, is actual swarUpajnAna. Then, why do we see it as different from akhaNDa caitanya?

 

praNAms Sri Madathil Nair prabhuji

Hare Krishna

Actually there is no need to treat vrutti differently from chaitanya...Ofcourse, paramArtha tattva can be called in any name (yekaM sat but vipra-s can vadanti differently :-))...But here the context is slightly different I believe...we are talking about the vrutti that takes place in antaHkaraNa...and Since Atman is nirguNa, nirvishesha, shankara tells here vidyA & avidyA are not the dharma-s of Atman & it is only antaHkaraNa dharma...In that sense it is legitimate to say that both vidyA & avidyA (viveka & avivEka) are *vishaya* only like nAma & rUpa. It is just like saying 'ring is gold but gold is not ring'

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

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hari om

 

 

TKs Very usfel one

 

R.Subramani--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Sunder Hattangadi <sunderh wrote:

Sunder Hattangadi <sunderh Re: "akhandaakaara vRitti"advaitin Date: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 4:28 PM

 

 

advaitin@ s.com, "Madathil Rajendran Nair" <madathilnair@ ...> wrote:>Namaste,Sri Ramana's response to a similar question was:http://www.beezone. com/Ramana/ TalkswithRamanaM aharshi.html27th December, 1936" 307. Mr. Shamanna from Mysore asked Sri Bhagavan: Kindly explain Aham Sphurana (the light of 'I' - 'I').M.: 'I' is not known in sleep. On waking 'I' is perceived associated with the body, the world and the non-self in general. Such associated 'I' is aham vritti. When Aham represents the Self only it is Aham Sphurana. This is natural to the jnani and is itself called jnana by jnanis, or bhakti by bhaktas. Though ever present, including in sleep, it is not perceived. It

cannot be known in sleep all at once. It must first be realised in the waking state, for it is our true nature underlying all the three states. Efforts must be made only in the jagrat state and the Self realised here and now. It will afterwards be understood and realised to be continuous Self, uninterrupted by jagrat, svapna and sushupti.Thus it is akhandakara vritti (unbroken experience). Vritti is used for lack of a better expression. It should not be understood to be literally a vritti. In that case, vritti will resemble an 'ocean-like river', which is absurd. Vritti is of short duration; it is qualified, directed consciousness; or absolute consciousness broken up by cognition of thoughts, senses, etc. Vritti is the function of the mind, whereas the continuous consciousness transcends the mind. This is the natural, primal state of the jnani or the liberated being. That is unbroken experience. It

asserts itself when relative consciousness subsides. Aham vritti ('I'-thought) is broken, Aham sphurana (the light of 'I'-'I') is unbroken, continuous. After the thoughts subside, the light shines forth. "Regards,Sunder

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Namaste Madathi Rajendran Nair

 

tku for your email.

 

Trying to live that what i understand really in daily life - that is my Sadha

Sri Ramana Maharshi - what a Grace i "met" this Being in this life.

It was somehow a completion of my search for Truth.

His statement I AM WHO I AM from the jewish bible - in his "opinion" reflects the millenium of vedic knowledge and this "name" of GD he stated is the most important one.

I write you and the Sangha this email because somehow my last email with the same question did not arrive. I know this circumstances to be of utmost importance - to look at them and reflect.

"Nevertheless" - stubborn as this being is (it helped me on my way!!!) - i try to ask you:

 

all those beings on this Sangha discuss in incredible dephts details - but i did not read an email with "down to earth questions" regarding HOW to live the inner knowledge in daily life.

What they experience in their daily life and how they manage to stick to their inner truth.

 

Hopeful to have made my point clear enough

 

i remanin sincerely

 

yours

 

 

michael bindel

 

 

 

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Madathil Rajendran Nair

advaitin

Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:15 AM

Re: "akhandaakaara vRitti"

 

 

Namaste Durgaji.Your post 42244.Beautiful! Eloquent! I join Dennisji in admiring the beauty of your post. The last part of it really touched my heart.However, I am sorry I can't go with the general drive of it. Not because I am unable to understand you but for the very simple reason elicited below about which I don't have to write at length.You said:QUOTEWhen we look at a jnani from the POV of duality, what do we see? We see a body/mind/sense organs individual who is performing actions. I don't think we need to doubt the information thatour eyes give us in this regard, I think rather we need to look at what the words, 'the jnani does not act' are actually pointing out.UNQUOTEThere are two dangers lurking in your statement.Firstly, you think that you are looking at a jnAni. You have therefore taken it for granted that you can recognize one. That is like a vritti recognizing akhandAkAra vritti. Besides, by using indefnite article "a", you have conceded the possibility of a plurality of jnAnis. Both these are advaitically infeasible. This is adhyAsa. Please don't counter me here by asking wasn't Bh. Ramana a jnAni, wasn't Shankara a jnAni and hadn't they lived in the view of ajnAnis etc. Such questions belong to the realm of ajnAna. If Advaita is right, jnAni is not an experiential phenomenon that can manifest in plurality. What meets the eyes is only an ajnAna distortion of Truth. We have to accept this basic fact even from our POV of duality.Secondly, you don't think we need to doubt the information that our eyes give. I assume eyes here represent the rest of our senses backed by the mind. Well, then, why don't we go by what the senses say and take this world of duality that we confront as the very truth? Why do we first establish an error in our perception, christen it adhyAsa and then take the route of Vedanta to correct it?All your labour to reconcile a jnAni's actions vis a vis his true actionlessness in the absolute sense is, thus, based on your understanding of *what you consider as a jnAni* or a *so-called jnAni*. Durgaji, I have nothing personally against a plurality of jnAnis. I very much enjoy their presence as you and others do and stand to benefit from their wisdom. My only concern is that when we talk Advaita, we have to stick to the basic tenets of Advaita and call a spade a spade. I can't agree to any dilution of the truth.Here is how you paraphrased Swamiji's translation of the Meenakshi hymn:"That very maya which brings forth the mithyacreation, gives liberation in the form of a mithya vritti.The akhanda akara vritti"I am fond of Devi Meenakshi and chant several of Her hymns. However, I can't identify the source of this one which is extremely beautiful and calls for pages and pages of interpretation. On the surface, it looks like akhandAkAravritti is equated here to a mithyA vritti. Nothing can be far from truth. We need to locate the verse and understand it in the right perspective.Many thanks to Sunderji for bringing in that Bh. Ramana quote right in time. Peterji had quoted it before in his 34708 in the discussion thread which I recommended to Mounaji in the beginning. When there is a tendency to harp on inadvaitic concepts or oxymorons like *a jnAni's mind*, we need to pull ourselves up and do some mananaM on Bhagawan's statement: "Vritti is the function of the mind, whereas the continuous consciousness transcends (repeat transcends) the mind. This is the natural, primal state of the Jnani or the liberated being."Best regards to all.Madathil Nair

 

 

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Namaste All, Advaita students,

The only difference I can see between akhandAkAravRitti and other vritties of the mind is while the latter vritties are subject to ‘VYABHICHARITWAM” (i.e. subject to change) it is not the case with the former, the akhandAkAravritti being the swarUpagnAnam of “I”

As we all know mithyAgnanm is subject to vyabhicharitwam.

Hari Om

 

 

 

R. S. Mani

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Namaste Shri Bindel.

 

Thought you got bored with me since you stopped writing to me off-

List. I am indeed a bore.

 

Let me ask you a question. In several of your mails, I have seen the

abbreviation GD. First, I took it to be a typo for God. But you

have repeated it in your last message. What do you mean by that

abbreviation?

 

I welcome your suggestion to divert attention to down-to-earth

questions regarding how to live the inner knowledge in daily life,

what one experiences in daily life and how one can manage to stick to

the inner truth. Hope someone will bell the cat by presenting an

initial post on these topics so that others can join in. Shri

Bindel, perhaps, you can yourself lead us. The List needs a change.

 

Best regards.

 

Madathil Nair

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advaitin , " Michael Bindel "

<michael.bindel wrote:

>....> His statement I AM WHO I AM from the jewish bible - in

his " opinion " reflects the millenium of vedic knowledge and

this " name " of GD he stated is the most important one.

> .......>

> all those beings on this Sangha discuss in incredible dephts

details - but i did not read an email with " down to earth questions "

regarding HOW to live the inner knowledge in daily life.

> What they experience in their daily life and how they manage to

stick to their inner truth.

[Guest guest]

"Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel wrote:> all

those beings on this Sangha discuss in incredible dephts details - but

i did not read an email with "down to earth questions" regarding HOW to

live the inner knowledge in daily life.> What they experience in their daily life and how they manage to stick to their inner truth.>

Dear MichaelJi and Advaitins, Pranams

 

What an appropiate commentary to this thread!

In fact, my original questions about the "akhandaakaara vRitti" was definitely headed in that direction, the actual practical implications of this term, how this concept of the "a. vritti" applies to attention and perception, sadhana, Self-Enquiry and Self-Realization in the very present moment and what is its "psychological" impact, at least that was the intention behind the question.

Someone recently in Dr. Harsha's List made a very interesting commentary about intellectual discussions. Paraphrasing (since I don't remember it well), it was something like this, that these kind of discussions could be the boat that lead us to destination but also could be the chant of the sirens that lead the travellers astray, with their seducing chants. I for one, being seduced by the sirens of Maya many times in this respect, I'm in the least position to judge others, but I try humbly to keep my eyes not in the finger, but in the direction it's pointing at.Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna

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" Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote:

 

> all those beings on this Sangha discuss in incredible dephts details - but i did not read an email with " down to earth questions " regarding HOW to live the inner knowledge in daily life.

> What they experience in their daily life and how they manage to stick to their inner truth.

praNAms

Hare krishna

Sri Prof. VK prabhuji has written exhaustively on the practical implication of advaita in day to day life...I think it is available in the net or file section in advaitin home page...Sri Sunder prabhuji or Prof. prabhuji himself would help you in this regard. In this direction you wont get much help from the people like me :-)) I am doing only lip service to the system of advaita...practically I am a dvaitin (dualist), who always wants to see the duality, live & fight with it :-)) you might have seen how affectionately I am sticking to my pet theories in this list & debating with others endlessly :-))

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

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Dear Bhaskar

 

tku indeed for your honest and quick reply!

 

sincerely yours

 

michael

 

 

 

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Bhaskar YR

advaitin

Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:10 PM

Re: Re: "akhandaakaara vRitti"

 

 

 

"Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel wrote:> all those beings on this Sangha discuss in incredible dephts details - but i did not read an email with "down to earth questions" regarding HOW to live the inner knowledge in daily life.> What they experience in their daily life and how they manage to stick to their inner truth. praNAms Hare krishna Sri Prof. VK prabhuji has written exhaustively on the practical implication of advaita in day to day life...I think it is available in the net or file section in advaitin home page...Sri Sunder prabhuji or Prof. prabhuji himself would help you in this regard. In this direction you wont get much help from the people like me :-)) I am doing only lip service to the system of advaita...practically I am a dvaitin (dualist), who always wants to see the duality, live & fight with it :-)) you might have seen how affectionately I am sticking to my pet theories in this list & debating with others endlessly :-)) Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar

 

 

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Dear Mouna

 

your honest and very interesting answered honoured this person.

Yes thats incredible true indeed

we are very easily distracted from what has to be done....

thats why i am so profoundly grateful for the Grace having "met" in this life ADVAITA and especially SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI

This is Grace indeed: because His life is documented from birth to death and was lived according to all what He stated.

And what is so wonderful - especially for one like this person who loved to "know" and to dig in the most subtle details:

Bhagavan stated when you have realized than all the book all the theoretical wisdom is not necessary anymore...

Thats great indeed....

And this person "obsession" for digging in details - easy to explain: looking for AUTHENTICITY everywhere and very seldom indeed have found someone authentic....

And thats a lesson for michael: to give his best to be authentic himself

 

in Sri Ramana Maharshi

 

your brother on the way back home

 

 

michael

 

 

-

 

Mouna

advaitin

Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:56 PM

Re: "akhandaakaara vRitti"

 

 

"Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel wrote:> all those beings on this Sangha discuss in incredible dephts details - but i did not read an email with "down to earth questions" regarding HOW to live the inner knowledge in daily life.> What they experience in their daily life and how they manage to stick to their inner truth.> Dear MichaelJi and Advaitins, PranamsWhat an appropiate commentary to this thread! In fact, my original questions about the "akhandaakaara vRitti" was definitely headed in that direction, the actual practical implications of this term, how this concept of the "a. vritti" applies to attention and perception, sadhana, Self-Enquiry and Self-Realization in the very present moment and what is its "psychological" impact, at least that was the intention behind the question. Someone recently in Dr. Harsha's List made a very interesting commentary about intellectual discussions. Paraphrasing (since I don't remember it well), it was something like this, that these kind of discussions could be the boat that lead us to destination but also could be the chant of the sirens that lead the travellers astray, with their seducing chants. I for one, being seduced by the sirens of Maya many times in this respect, I'm in the least position to judge others, but I try humbly to keep my eyes not in the finger, but in the direction it's pointing at.Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna

 

 

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Namaste Shri Madathil Nair

 

oh Gosh i am to blame....

i am not bored at all with you!!!!

If i am bored than i am bored with this persons behaviour

why?

i am full with known and unknown "secret" and secret infos about the "world" and what is going on behind the scenes...

sorry to state: but what i told people decades ago - of course nobody believed it - came and comes true to the tiniest point - b u t only much faster than michael thought

a n d it has not importance anymore for me as i am not able to change anything in this "world" - "only" am able to change myself. And that is what i am doing constantly - not putting to much attention to the "suffering" but to the practicing what has to be practiced. Regardless what "others" say..

And i am full with thousands of document on this modern and somehow "devilish" instrument, the computer.

And i am happy to meet on the internet some people who are really interested in that what makes me "tick"

What is the driving force in my life - LOVE GD SELF

so i am on the beginning of tidying up ALL UNNECESSARY STUFF unnecessary for this way back home....

 

GD is a respectfull short form for GOD a word so much abused like "love"

Being a born jew i inherited by GRACE the undestroyable inner Knowledge (by intention i use capital K) of GDS existence - even after Holocaust.

And so on.

 

ADVAITA solved all "intellectual" and "moral" problems in my life - for example how come that GD allowed ongoing massacres everywhere and so on

 

please have patience

 

am happy to be with you

 

 

michael

 

-

Madathil Rajendran Nair

advaitin

Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:57 AM

Re: "akhandaakaara vRitti"

 

 

Namaste Shri Bindel.Thought you got bored with me since you stopped writing to me off-List. I am indeed a bore.Let me ask you a question. In several of your mails, I have seen the abbreviation GD. First, I took it to be a typo for God. But you have repeated it in your last message. What do you mean by that abbreviation?I welcome your suggestion to divert attention to down-to-earth questions regarding how to live the inner knowledge in daily life, what one experiences in daily life and how one can manage to stick to the inner truth. Hope someone will bell the cat by presenting an initial post on these topics so that others can join in. Shri Bindel, perhaps, you can yourself lead us. The List needs a change.Best regards.Madathil Nair___________________advaitin , "Michael Bindel" <michael.bindel wrote:>....> His statement I AM WHO I AM from the jewish bible - in his "opinion" reflects the millenium of vedic knowledge and this "name" of GD he stated is the most important one. > .......> > all those beings on this Sangha discuss in incredible dephts details - but i did not read an email with "down to earth questions" regarding HOW to live the inner knowledge in daily life.> What they experience in their daily life and how they manage to stick to their inner truth.

 

 

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