RE: Bhagavan Ramana on world !!/Mouna-Ji

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Yes, our dear Mouna-ji is blessed by the grace of Bhagavan

Ramana. Sri Ramana used to say that the Grace is always there for everyone.

When one inquires into one’s nature and makes the best effort, the Grace

manifests spontaneously as one’s own Heart. All are blessed.

 

Namaste and love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

 

advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf Of Michael

Bindel

Monday, November 24, 2008 1:57 AM

advaitin

Re: Re: Bhagavan Ramana on world !!

 

 

 

 

Namaste Dearest Mouna

 

 

 

 

 

your esteemed words reflect

perfectly what this person feels about this theme

 

 

Your wealth of real knowledge

and your ability to put it in understandable language is admired indeed.

 

 

You are blessed....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

in Sri Ramana Maharshi

 

 

 

 

 

michael

 

 

 

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Mouna

 

 

advaitin

 

 

 

Monday, November 24,

2008 5:21 AM

 

 

Re:

Bhagavan Ramana on world !!

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All, my respects

 

Is not surprising that Bhagavan Ramana's devotees think that Self-Enquiry (as

taught by Ramana himself) is all what is needed, since Ramana himself

made this clear in many occassions throughout his dialogues.

One of the points to take into account while studying Bhagavan Ramana's

Teachings is that the core of them were directed specifically to mature,

prepared and advanced minds. That might take care of why, in general, he

almost never advised the study of the scriptures, as is often mentioned in

Vedanta, to gain the Ultimate Knowledge of our Essential Nature/Brahman. He did

advice people to 'complement' Atma-Vichara with the study of several text

extracted often from the Srutis and Smritis.

Although the neti-neti method ('negative' approach) made its way through

the first two verses of one of his first teachings (Naan Yar - Who Am I?)

echoing perhaps Adi Shankara's VivekaChudamani, in several other occasio ns he

also clearly stated that this methodology wasn't no longer necessary for

advanced stages of Self-Enquiry. The same with the positive 'approach' of the

repetition of 'Aham Brahmasmi' (Nisargadatta's tool for Self-Realization).

 

Ramana's Self-Enquiry basically traces the notional mind or I-Thought (pramata,

aham-vritti) to its Source (and of course this has to be done 'from' the mind

itself, thorn removing other thorn, both to be thrown out afterwards). Source

wherefrom all manifested phenomena springs out (intellectual, emotional and

sensorial). Abidance 'there', produces the dissolution of the I-thought, last

step where the brillance of Self, without impediments, shine of its own accord

(since Self-Effulgent). At this point no further intellectual, emotional or

sensorial 'understanding' is needed, since ANY kind of understanding is just

another function of that very same 'notional' mind that has been dissolved in

the process. Idam-vritti (or othern ess, prameia, the world, etc.) dissolving

into Aham-vritti (the I-thought creator of the Idam-Vritti) and then

both evaporating through the sustained effort to keep alive the Fire of

Self-Enquiry (Abidance). In fact, the method focuses mainly in destroying what

is covering the understanding (specially ignorance in the form of binding

vasanas), it doesn't " create or attain " the Self since it is

our nature by default (clearly stated by Ramana always)

 

Basically it is very simple, turning one's mind's attention inward and sustaining

that effort, this is all what's needed.

But as we know 'simple' doesn't necessary equates with 'easy'. Here is where

preparation of the mind enters, with all that it implies: in the Hindu

Tradition Karma yoga, Upasana, Study of diverse Scriptures, etc... Now, from

another perspective, this preparation doesn't necessarily has to happen in this

lifetime and Bhagavan Ramana is a clear example of this point, attainin g full

Self-Realization while being a teenager. He was already prepared, ripe and ready.

 

Being a Ramana devotee or 'follower' doesn't necessarily mean that one is doing

Self-Enquiry correctly. It doesn't mean that one is doing Vichara wrongly

either. We are all different and look at Bhagavan's finger pointing

at the moon from different angles also. Many take Bhagavan as a famous saint,

or an incarnation of Dakshinamurti, or even Subramaniam, perform pujas and

tapas at his samadhi, repeat his name, circumvalate his shrine and may never

ever enquire " Who is doing all this? " . That is the paradox...

the finger, not the moon....

 

Maybe these times we are living, with the emergence of Nisargadatta Maharaj and

Ramana Maharshi (rare flowers in the vast garden of Advaita Vedanta in India),

and even the satsang movement initiated in the western world, are opportunities

for those prepared already, who need less " education " ,

since performed already " before " . There are several, even many

proofs of devotees who attained Self-Realization only focusing their sadhana on

Bhagavan's Teaching of Self-Enquiry.

For them, it was all that was needed.

 

Last but not least, one can only speak for oneself.

Each one is a different thread in this vyavaharic carpet, and what a beautiful

display of shapes and colors for the Eye who focus its gaze on the

Whole!

 

Pranams again to All,

Mouna

 

 

 

 

 

 

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