Guest guest Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Hari OM~ Pranams, Shri Sadananda ji, Avataras are known to be two-fold. 1) Avesa-avataras 2) Saksad-avataras. The former is again of two kinds. a) Svarupa-avesa b) sakti-avesa. Rama Krishna Avataras are the Svarupa-Avesa avataras. From Godheads to the blade of grass ass Sankara puts it `Brahma-stmba paryantam' are regarded as the Sakti-Avesa Avataras. Brahma, Siva and other Jivas fall under this category. Sakti-Avesa avataras are known to be the influx of certain special functions with certains specific powers. These functional differences are due to the trans-figuration of Maya the power of Supreme. Avesa Avataras are not transcendent by nature. They manifest in human, animal forms. Saksad Avataras are the primary incarnations of God and are transcendent by nature. They are like lamp lighted from another, Isvara appearing as Saksi apparently with form and essentially form remain both in the state of transcendence is saksad avatara. Jivas apprearance being a vivarta of the ultimate Brahman is hence considered under the sakti- avesa avatara. Mundaka aptly calls it the visphulinga from agnihotra. Avesa avataras are subjected to spatio-temporal conditions / upadhis while the Saksad avataras are not. With Narayana Smrti, Devanathan. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy Pranams to all. Dear friends, Who is Krishana? The answer is as follows : If Krishna is different from " ME " , then he is an object and hence he is only an appearance like me in AWARENESS.IT is absolutely worthless to know about an appearance. IF Krishna is not different from " ME " then HE is the ultimate subjective principle and HE like " ME " can never be known as an object. BY realizing " ME " , the true svaroopa of me, KRISHNA can be realized as self-luminous, self-established, self-evident ABSOLUTE REALITY. THIS IS WHAT VEDANTA TEACHES. " ayamAtmA brahma sarvAnuBUH " . KNOW THY SELF. NOTE: Readers should realize the difference between " ME " and 'me' before reading this posting. It is very important. With warm and respectful regards, Sreenivasa Murthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Pranam Murthy-ji thank you for your email what you write i feel as INNER TRUTH as tought by SadGuru Sri Ramana Maharshi yours in IT michael bindel - narayana145 advaitin Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:47 AM Re: Re-Who is Krishna? H.N.Sreenivasa MurthyPranams to all.Dear friends,Who is Krishana?The answer is as follows :If Krishna is different from "ME" , then he is an object andhence he is only an appearance like me in AWARENESS.IT is absolutelyworthless to know about an appearance.IF Krishna is not different from "ME" then HE is the ultimatesubjective principle and HE like "ME" can never be known as an object.BY realizing "ME", the true svaroopa of me, KRISHNA can be realized asself-luminous, self-established, self-evident ABSOLUTE REALITY.THIS IS WHAT VEDANTA TEACHES. "ayamAtmA brahma sarvAnuBUH".KNOW THY SELF.NOTE: Readers should realize the difference between "ME" and 'me'before reading this posting. It is very important.With warm and respectful regards,Sreenivasa Murthy. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1819 - Release 29/11/2008 10.37 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Pranams to all..for a pure Advaitin..Krishna or Rama or even Ganesha are all mere "Nama Rupas Only"If one understans what is "Aham Brahmasmi"..the very question "Who is is Krishna?" doesn't even arise..with regdss.rajah iyerhttp://www.acupressuresocks.com http://www.srajahiyer.sulekha.com/--- On Sun, 11/30/08, narayana145 <narayana145 wrote:narayana145 <narayana145 Re: Re-Who is Krishna?advaitin Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 1:17 PM H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy Pranams to all. Dear friends, Who is Krishana? The answer is as follows : If Krishna is different from "ME" , then he is an object and hence he is only an appearance like me in AWARENESS.IT is absolutely worthless to know about an appearance. IF Krishna is not different from "ME" then HE is the ultimate subjective principle and HE like "ME" can never be known as an object. BY realizing "ME", the true svaroopa of me, KRISHNA can be realized as self-luminous, self-established, self-evident ABSOLUTE REALITY. THIS IS WHAT VEDANTA TEACHES. "ayamAtmA brahma sarvAnuBUH". KNOW THY SELF. NOTE: Readers should realize the difference between "ME" and 'me' before reading this posting. It is very important. With warm and respectful regards, Sreenivasa Murthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Pranam Rajah Iyer tku for your comments right you are... of course if one really understand wholeheartedly AHAM BRAHMASMI questions like this one have no value at all they are products of the mind ego all the best michael - SURI advaitin Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:00 PM Re: Re: Re-Who is Krishna? Pranams to all..for a pure Advaitin..Krishna or Rama or even Ganesha are all mere "Nama Rupas Only"If one understans what is "Aham Brahmasmi"..the very question "Who is is Krishna?" doesn't even arise..with regdss.rajah iyerhttp://www.acupressuresocks.comhttp://www.srajahiyer.sulekha.com/--- On Sun, 11/30/08, narayana145 <narayana145 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: narayana145 <narayana145 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Re-Who is Krishna?advaitin Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 1:17 PM H.N.Sreenivasa MurthyPranams to all.Dear friends,Who is Krishana?The answer is as follows :If Krishna is different from "ME" , then he is an object andhence he is only an appearance like me in AWARENESS.IT is absolutelyworthless to know about an appearance.IF Krishna is not different from "ME" then HE is the ultimatesubjective principle and HE like "ME" can never be known as an object.BY realizing "ME", the true svaroopa of me, KRISHNA can be realized asself-luminous, self-established, self-evident ABSOLUTE REALITY.THIS IS WHAT VEDANTA TEACHES. "ayamAtmA brahma sarvAnuBUH".KNOW THY SELF.NOTE: Readers should realize the difference between "ME" and 'me'before reading this posting. It is very important.With warm and respectful regards,Sreenivasa Murthy. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1819 - Release 29/11/2008 10.37 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Devanathanji - PraNAms Thanks for the beautiful post. Hari Om! Sadananda --- On Sat, 11/29/08, antharyami_in <sathvatha wrote: Avataras are known to be two-fold. 1) Avesa-avataras 2) Saksad-avataras. Messages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Pranams to all. In Bhagavadgita Krishna speaks as Bhagavan, which means saguna brahman and not as an individual, the son of Vasudeva and Devaki. He is addressed by Arjuna in some shlokas as `Madhusudana', which means slayer of the demon `Madhu'. According to the puranas, it was Vishnu who killed the demon Madhu and not Krishna. By addressing Krishna as Madhusudana the identity of Krishna and Vishnu, who is saguna brahman, is brought out. In Vishnusahasranama (the 1000 names of Vishnu), the name `Krishna' appears twice. In his Bhashya on Vishnusahasranama Shri Shankara gives the following meanings for the name `Krishna:-- 1. krish means `Existence' and `Na' stands for Bliss according to Vyasa. So Krishna means `Sat-chit- Ananda'. 2. Krishna means `Krishna Dvaipayana' or Vyasa. Vyasa and Vishnu are the same. According to Srimad Bhagavatam, Krishna is the son of Vasudeva. According to Sanskrit grammar, the son of Vasudeva is called VAsudeva. Thus VAsudeva is one of the names of Krishna. But this name appears in the Vishnusahasranama as the name of Vishnu himself three times with three different meanings given by Shri Shankara. These three meanings are:-- 1. vasati vAsayati AcchAdayati sarvam iti vAsuH; dyotate iti devaH; vAsuScAsau devaSceti vAsudevaH--- Meaning—He dwells in, and covers everything and so he is vAsu; being effulgent, he is deva. He is thus both vAsu and deva, i.e., vAsudeva. 2. vAsudeva is the son of vasudeva. Here the identity of Krishna and Vishnu is clearly brought out. 3. He is the God who covers the universe with his Maya and so he is vAsudeva. Thus it has been clearly shown that Krishna is none other than Vishnu who is saguna brahman, who is not different from nirguna brahman. So Krishna is the supreme brahman, the indwelling Self of all. The truth of advaita that there is nothing but brahman is brought out in this way. S.N.Sastri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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