bhakti

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advaitajnana , christiane cameron

<christianecameron@m...> wrote:

 

, christiane cameron

<christianecameron@m...> wrote:

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> Dear Friends,

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> Prof. Syed asked Bhagavan: " Does not Bhakti imply duality? " Bhagavan

> answered: " Swa swarupanusandhanam bhaktirityabidheeyate " , which means,

> reflection on one's own Self is called bhakti. Bhakti and Self-Enquiry

> are one and the same. The Self of the Advaitins is the God of the

> bhaktas.

>

> From the Talks

 

Namaste Chris,

 

This is absolutely true.

 

However many do not appreciate the depth of this statement.

Bhakti is not devotion but the end of devotion and no ego.

It is not necessary in the end result to worship Ramana's form and

pray to his picture. He cannot hear you he is not a person anymore.

Many need to have rituals and this is fine on the path.

However all Bhakti and Yogas are unnecessary if one just practises

Ramana's teaching 'Who am I'. One will find the One we were searching

for, worshipping etc, is our own Self all the time...to paraphrase

Vivekananda.

Buddha said Bliss is the final impediment to Nirvana. This is because

it is an attachment to experience. This is the misunderstanding of

many 'Bhaktas'.

 

If Self Enquiry were not simpler and more direct scientifically than

any other way-----Ramana would not have taught it.

 

That is why it is more direct than scriptures or worshipping, for

99.9% of those that worship as Bhaktas do so to form.....Ramana's or

any other form.

 

This is why it is easier to reach Moksha than any method such as

Bhakti. For in Bhakti there is attachment to the beloved and Bliss,

and in scriptures there is the attachment to knowledge.

 

The Self that Ramana' talks of mostly is the Sakti/Saguna, which in

itself is unreal and disappears on bodiless Moksha, as never having

happened..............ONS...Tony.

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Does bhakti at all fit into the Advaita philosophy?

[Guest guest]

Dear Richard:

 

The result of bhakti is non-dual perception, when through devotion the

illusion of separetedness is seen for what it is. But directly, I

don't see a relationship between Advaita and Bhakti. Perhaps the other

friends from the list might know better.

 

 

Love

Advaitin

 

On 12/11/08, Richard <richarkar wrote:

> Does bhakti at all fit into the Advaita philosophy?

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Namaste;

 

This question has been discussed in greater details and the lists of

postings can be searched by accessing the list archives.

 

Here is a more recent posting by me on the same subject:

 

advaitin/message/42447

 

You go to the list archieves at:

 

advaitin/messages

 

search for the key word, " bhakti " to browse through all articles.

 

Ram Chandran

 

 

advaitin , " Richard " <richarkar wrote:

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> Does bhakti at all fit into the Advaita philosophy?

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Richard - PraNAms

 

Bhakti has been discussed recently with reference to Gita 12th Ch. Bhakti yoga.

 

Bhakti is the bottom line for both karma yoga and jnaana yoga. During karma yoga

- that involves Iswaraarpita buddhi and prasaada buddhi - that is the attitude

of offering the action as prayer to the Lord and acceptance of the result as his

prasaada - is essential - Karma yoga is essential since no one can stop from

acting even for a minute - Karma yoga helps the mind to prepare for Jnaana yoga.

Hence without bhakti, one cannot become a karma yogi. Karma yoga is requied for

the purification of the mind.

 

Bhakti is needed for jnaana yoga too where ego has to be surrendered to

recognize oneness of the totality.

 

Hence Shankara defines bhakti - as

 

Of all the yogas or saadhanas Bhakti is the supreme says Shankara - and that

bhakti is - svasvaruupa anusandhaanam bhakti - svaatmaanubhava sandhaanam bhakti

- contemplation on one's own self is bhakti - that is devoted contemplation on

one's own self - the self that is self-existent, self-consciousness that is

limitless - is bhakti. Ego can be surrendered only at the alter of bhakti.

 

Hence without Bhakti for Iswara and/or guru, advaitic understanding cannot

materialize.

 

Hence the role of bhakti is unquestionable even in advaita.

 

Bhakti is not beggary but devoted pursuit for the ultimate goal - the all

pervading self - That jnaani, Krishna declares, is the greatest bhakta and is

most dear to Me, says Krishna.

 

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Richard <richarkar wrote:

 

 

Does bhakti at all fit into the Advaita philosophy?

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advaitin , kuntimaddi sadananda

<kuntimaddisada wrote:

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> Richard - PraNAms

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> Bhakti has been discussed recently with reference to Gita 12th Ch.

Bhakti yoga.

>

 

Namaste,

 

Also, in the Files section, there is one pdf file with the

title Advaita Sadhana.

 

A search of the word Bhakti in the file will give all the

essential answers to the question.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder