Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Namaste Sadaji. Yours 42659. Thanks for elaborating your point of view in such detail. I have no problem going with the physical principles explained or the importance of the mind in perception. Your analyses are very logical in these areas. The only point where we differ is our understanding of jnAni. I am fully with you about what you say about the mind of an ajnAni. That jnAni is one who has gone beyond the mind is not my invention. In a recent message here (# 42641), Shri John Ward has quoted Nisargadatta Maharaj to this effect. Best regards. Madathil Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 advaitin , " Madathil Rajendran Nair " <madathilnair wrote: > > Thanks, Br. Pranipatachaitanya-ji. > > > Best regards. > > Madathil Nair > __________________ > Hari Om Shri Nairji, Shri Sadanandaji, Pranaams! I am grateful to you. In Shri Guru Smriti Br. Pranipata Chaitanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Space cannot be equated to Brahman. praNAms Hare Krishna I dont think anywhere it's been specifically said that space (AkAsha) is equal to brahman...No comparison is possible with regard to Atman since it is ekameva advitIya (ONE without second)..We have only two options here..Either we have to say *everything* is brahman or brahman is nirguNa, nirvishEsha, niravayava, nirvikAri...We cannot say one element out of pancha bhuta-s is on par with brahman and leaving out the rest...Shankara while commenting on the taitirIya Up. maNtra: 'tasmAdvA etasmAt Atmana AkAshaH saMbhutaH', explains, since shruti talks about the *creation* of space here, how even this AkAsha is *kArya*/anAtma vastu !! Can we imagine 'absence of space' in any state?? Yes, says shankara, he says in sushupti (deep sleep state) there is no existence to AkAsha..(mAndUkya, kArikA bruhadAraNyaka?? may be in one of these commentaries). Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 advaitin , Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr wrote: > > > Space cannot be equated to Brahman. > > > praNAms > > > Hare Krishna > > > I dont think anywhere it's been specifically said that space (AkAsha) is > equal to brahman...No comparison is possible with regard to Atman since it > is ekameva advitIya (ONE without second)..We have only two options > here..Either we have to say *everything* is brahman or brahman is nirguNa, > nirvishEsha, niravayava, nirvikAri...We cannot say one element out of > pancha bhuta-s is on par with brahman and leaving out the rest...Shankara > while commenting on the taitirIya Up. maNtra: 'tasmAdvA etasmAt Atmana > AkAshaH saMbhutaH', explains, since shruti talks about the *creation* of > space here, how even this AkAsha is *kArya*/anAtma vastu !! Can we imagine > 'absence of space' in any state?? Yes, says shankara, he says in sushupti > (deep sleep state) there is no existence to AkAsha..(mAndUkya, kArikA > bruhadAraNyaka?? may be in one of these commentaries). > > > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! > > > bhaskar > Namaste, to equate Brahman with space... would also equate Brahman with space of/within dreams... .... it's possible to discuss endlessly about the reality of spaces, maybe nobody ever can get any concrete results to such issue. .... Brahman can't tell It. The sum total of what Brahman is constantly telling...through whatever mouthes.....is Silence. .... Regards, Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy Pranams to all. Dear Participating members on the subject " Maya and Avidya " , Please permit me to draw your kind attention to the following sentence of Sri Shankara : na ca anAtmA san sarvam Atmaiva Bavati kasyacit | tasmAt avidyayaiva (avidyayA + Eva) anAtmatvaM parikalpitam, na tu paramArthataH AtmavyatirEkENa asti kiMcit || [Commentary to mantra 2-4-14 of BrihadAraNyaka upaniShat] What conclusion can be drawn from the above statement? With warm and respectful regards, Sreenivasa Murthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Bhaskar - PraNAms From my understanding: The equation implication is only in terms of adhiShTaanam nor the space itself. For example look at the Commentary on B.S. I-1-12 to I-1-19 - anaandamaya adhikaraNa - where anandamaya - is first equated to Brahman with maya meaning of abundance. Later in the end of the adhikaraNa - Shankara says there is no need to change the meaning of maya contrasting the previous usage of maya in Ti. Up - annamaya, manomya etc - He gives the meaning of Brahman as the supportive of Bliss in the anandamaya. The concept of space arises in the mind only for jiiva and in the mind of Iswara in terms of creation sequence. Hari Om! Sadananda --- On Wed, 12/24/08, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr wrote: Space cannot be equated to Brahman. praNAms Hare Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 advaitin , Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr wrote: > > > Space cannot be equated to Brahman. > > > praNAms > > > Hare Krishna > > > I dont think anywhere it's been specifically said that space (AkAsha) is > equal to brahman...No comparison is possible with regard to Atman since it > is ekameva advitIya (ONE without second)..We have only two options > here..Either we have to say *everything* is brahman or brahman is nirguNa, > nirvishEsha, niravayava, nirvikAri...We cannot say one element out of > pancha bhuta-s is on par with brahman and leaving out the rest...Shankara > while commenting on the taitirIya Up. maNtra: 'tasmAdvA etasmAt Atmana > AkAshaH saMbhutaH', explains, since shruti talks about the *creation* of > space here, how even this AkAsha is *kArya*/anAtma vastu !! Can we imagine > 'absence of space' in any state?? Yes, says shankara, he says in sushupti > (deep sleep state) there is no existence to AkAsha..(mAndUkya, kArikA > bruhadAraNyaka?? may be in one of these commentaries). > > > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! > > > bhaskar Bhaskar-ji, It is true that space cannot be equated to Brahman. In fact, nothing can be equated to Brahman which is the only reality. But Brahman has been compared to space in the shruti statement-- AkAshavat sarvagataH-- Brahman is all-pervading like space. (As I am now on a visit to another place I do not have my books with me and so I am not able to give the reference. But I am sure you know this statement in the shruti). No doubt the all-pervasiveness of space is only relative and not the same thing as that of Brahman. Best wishes, S.N.Sastri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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