Guest guest Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Michael Bindel wrote: Dear members in Sangha who can help me explaining the following words of Sri Ramana Maharshi? I am reading the book by Cohen: Guru Ramana on page 38 on the bottom the following question is asked: what is death? Bhagvans answer: The oblivion of one s real nature. oblivion is "to forget" so please help me understanding this.... thank you for your efforts in Ramana michael Dear Michael, Strictly speaking, a term like "Self-realization" is incorrect: what happens is a recognition of what never was lost. That leaves "oblivion" as the only alternative to explain the condition of a seeker. As the Self is also called "Subject of all subjects" that enables to summarize every (seemingly individual) life a series of transient sensory impressions, which attract so much attention after birth that rarely an impression of initial primordial clarity remains. Hence oblivion is a result of what might be called "sensory overload" which results in so much mental processing that "still of the mind" no longer prevails. Peace, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > Dear Michael, it says that if you forget your real Nature, the Self, this is the real death. If you remember it this is your true birthday Birth and death get here another meaning relating to the living as our real Self or not. Kind regards Gabriele > Dear members in Sangha > > who can help me explaining the following words of Sri Ramana Maharshi? > > I am reading the book by Cohen: Guru Ramana on page 38 on the bottom the following question is asked: > > > what is death? > > Bhagvans answer: The oblivion of one s real nature. > > > oblivion is " to forget " > > so please help me understanding this.... > > > thank you for your efforts > > > in Ramana > > > michael > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear members in Sangha > > who can help me explaining the following words of Sri Ramana Maharshi? > > I am reading the book by Cohen: Guru Ramana on page 38 on the bottom the following question is asked: > > > what is death? > > Bhagvans answer: The oblivion of one s real nature. > > > oblivion is " to forget " > > so please help me understanding this.... > > > thank you for your efforts > > > in Ramana > > > michael > one's real nature is the one and only self, which alone exists; and it is not personal. forgetting this and identifying self with name/form, with the perishable - is death. whatever is born dies... " the true always is; the untrue never has existence " (the bhagawad gita). the boundless, timeless self is eternal life, beyond the illusory birth and death. whatever is born - is dead already, it's just a matter of time. truth/real nature/self/void is unborn, deathless and inexplicable. yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Dear Yossi thank you b u t for me ther REAL NATURE is the SELF oblivion means ....to forget why means death the forgetting of the real nature this i do not understand! please help michael - " yosyx " <yosyflug Saturday, August 18, 2007 4:14 AM Re: Request > , " Michael Bindel " > <michael.bindel wrote: >> >> Dear members in Sangha >> >> who can help me explaining the following words of Sri Ramana > Maharshi? >> >> I am reading the book by Cohen: Guru Ramana on page 38 on the > bottom the following question is asked: >> >> >> what is death? >> >> Bhagvans answer: The oblivion of one s real nature. >> >> >> oblivion is " to forget " >> >> so please help me understanding this.... >> >> >> thank you for your efforts >> >> >> in Ramana >> >> >> michael >> > > > one's real nature is the one and only > self, which alone exists; and it is not > personal. forgetting this and identifying > self with name/form, with the perishable - > is death. whatever is born dies... > " the true always is; the untrue never has > existence " (the bhagawad gita). > the boundless, timeless self is eternal life, > beyond the illusory birth and death. > whatever is born - is dead already, it's just > a matter of time. truth/real nature/self/void > is unborn, deathless and inexplicable. > > yosy > > > > Dear Friends: Please keep in mind that taking someone's creative and > intellectual works (poetry, art, articles, essays, posts, etc.) without > permission of the authors is a violation of copyright laws. This > especially applies to this list, , as it is a private list > which can be viewed by members only. > > Most individuals do allow their artistic and creative work to be posted > elsewhere if you request it and use their work in a not-for-profit format > for benefit of others. So that is not usually a problem. > > However, if you are taking content from this list with a profit motive > (such as promotion of your site in order to sell products, ads, etc.), it > is critical that you seek the explicit and written permission from the > authors whose works you are using. > > Acting in any other way is dishonest. Thank you. > _________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Dear Gabriele glad yo hear from you again, really! thank you for your help - n o w i understood the meaning. I did not understand why i should forget my real nature... Funny these coincidences - a lot to learn...keeps michael young in heart thank you again! michael - " Gabriele Ebert " <g.ebert Friday, August 17, 2007 10:34 PM Re: Request > , " Michael Bindel " > <michael.bindel wrote: >> > Dear Michael, > > it says that if you forget your real Nature, the Self, this is the > real death. If you remember it this is your true birthday > Birth and death get here another meaning relating to the living as > our real Self or not. > > Kind regards > Gabriele > > > >> Dear members in Sangha >> >> who can help me explaining the following words of Sri Ramana > Maharshi? >> >> I am reading the book by Cohen: Guru Ramana on page 38 on the > bottom the following question is asked: >> >> >> what is death? >> >> Bhagvans answer: The oblivion of one s real nature. >> >> >> oblivion is " to forget " >> >> so please help me understanding this.... >> >> >> thank you for your efforts >> >> >> in Ramana >> >> >> michael >> > > > > > Dear Friends: Please keep in mind that taking someone's creative and > intellectual works (poetry, art, articles, essays, posts, etc.) without > permission of the authors is a violation of copyright laws. This > especially applies to this list, , as it is a private list > which can be viewed by members only. > > Most individuals do allow their artistic and creative work to be posted > elsewhere if you request it and use their work in a not-for-profit format > for benefit of others. So that is not usually a problem. > > However, if you are taking content from this list with a profit motive > (such as promotion of your site in order to sell products, ads, etc.), it > is critical that you seek the explicit and written permission from the > authors whose works you are using. > > Acting in any other way is dishonest. Thank you. > _________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Dear Jan tku indeed for your explanations - strangely sometimes michael does not understand, especially when "thinking" - but as soon as i let it go - what wonder answers are coming.... in Ramana michael - ecirada Friday, August 17, 2007 10:32 PM Re: Request Michael Bindel wrote: Dear members in Sangha who can help me explaining the following words of Sri Ramana Maharshi? I am reading the book by Cohen: Guru Ramana on page 38 on the bottom the following question is asked: what is death? Bhagvans answer: The oblivion of one s real nature. oblivion is "to forget" so please help me understanding this.... thank you for your efforts in Ramana michaelDear Michael,Strictly speaking, a term like "Self-realization" is incorrect:what happens is a recognition of what never was lost. Thatleaves "oblivion" as the only alternative to explain the condition of a seeker. As the Self is also called "Subject of all subjects" that enables to summarize every (seemingly individual) life a series of transient sensory impressions, which attract so much attention after birth that rarely an impression of initial primordial clarity remains. Hence oblivion is a result of what might be called "sensoryoverload" which results in so much mental processing that "still ofthe mind" no longer prevails.Peace,Jan Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release 17/08/2007 17.43 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Yossi > > thank you > > b u t > > > for me ther REAL NATURE is the SELF > > oblivion means ....to forget right. > > why means death the forgetting of the real nature the real nature, the self, is birthless and deathless, boundless and not personal. it is timeless and unimaginable, but all-pervading and undeniable. when we forget that, we identify the non- personal with particular. and, whatever the particular/personal identity, it has a beginning and an end, and thus is dead. identifying with whatever makes all our orientation self-centered ('egoic', iow) thus 'spiritually' dead... the inexplicable self/truth is beyond death and birth, limitless and indestructible. this is our true nature. remember this, my friend! > > this i do not understand! > > please help > > > michael > > > - > " yosyx " <yosyflug > > Saturday, August 18, 2007 4:14 AM > Re: Request > > > > , " Michael Bindel " > > <michael.bindel@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear members in Sangha > >> > >> who can help me explaining the following words of Sri Ramana > > Maharshi? > >> > >> I am reading the book by Cohen: Guru Ramana on page 38 on the > > bottom the following question is asked: > >> > >> > >> what is death? > >> > >> Bhagvans answer: The oblivion of one s real nature. > >> > >> > >> oblivion is " to forget " > >> > >> so please help me understanding this.... > >> > >> > >> thank you for your efforts > >> > >> > >> in Ramana > >> > >> > >> michael > >> no effort required. thank you, my friend. inshallah you'll find it somewhat helpful... jai ramanaji! _()_ yosy nnb > > > > > > one's real nature is the one and only > > self, which alone exists; and it is not > > personal. forgetting this and identifying > > self with name/form, with the perishable - > > is death. whatever is born dies... > > " the true always is; the untrue never has > > existence " (the bhagawad gita). > > the boundless, timeless self is eternal life, > > beyond the illusory birth and death. > > whatever is born - is dead already, it's just > > a matter of time. truth/real nature/self/void > > is unborn, deathless and inexplicable. > > > > yosy > > > > > > > > Dear Friends: Please keep in mind that taking someone's creative and > > intellectual works (poetry, art, articles, essays, posts, etc.) without > > permission of the authors is a violation of copyright laws. This > > especially applies to this list, , as it is a private list > > which can be viewed by members only. > > > > Most individuals do allow their artistic and creative work to be posted > > elsewhere if you request it and use their work in a not-for- profit format > > for benefit of others. So that is not usually a problem. > > > > However, if you are taking content from this list with a profit motive > > (such as promotion of your site in order to sell products, ads, etc.), it > > is critical that you seek the explicit and written permission from the > > authors whose works you are using. > > > > Acting in any other way is dishonest. Thank you. > > _________ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Namaste Sunder Hattangadi-Ji please let me know the english title of the below mentioned translation.... thank you in advance.... in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael bindel It should be pointed out that Shankara has written a 20-page commentary in Sanskrit (30-page English translation by Sw. Madhavananda), Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 advaitin , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > please let me know the english title of the below mentioned translation.... > Namaste, The book is: Brihadaranyaka Upanishad: With commentary of Sri Sankaracharya, by Swami Madhavananda (Tr.) It would be available at these centers, or from any major book-seller. http://www.vedantauk.com/centres.htm Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Namaste Sunder-Ji tku very much michael bindel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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