Identity of jIva and Ishvara? - Summary and after

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advaitin , " perfectplacer " <geetkris wrote:

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> Pranipata Ji , Cd I request your specific inputs particularly

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> Hari Om

> Sri Gurubhyo Namah

> Krishnan

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Hari Om Shri Krishnanji, Pranaams!

 

We have been discussing under three headings.

 

1. Identity of jIva and Ishvara.

 

No doubt, jIva is identical to Ishvara. No need to say in upAdhi they

are different. Because as Lord will- yaH pashyati saH pashyati -

asharIram sharIreShu, avibhaktam vibhaktam iva sthitaM. (He sees who

sees the unembodied among the bodies, undifferentiable though sitting

as if differentiated).

 

2. How does a Guru teach?

 

Ashcaryam. A wonder.(A thing perceived by senses but could not be

explained rationally is wonder-Swami Chinmayananda).

Ishvara-anugraham eva. -Only because of Grace of God.

 

3. Enlightened Empirical Engagements.

 

Discussing behaviour of jnAni is discussing personality and not

philosophy.

 

It is admitted only with the aim - siddhasya lakShaNAni sAdakasya

sAdhanAni - The traits of Successful becomes tools for those who want

to achieve.

 

Acharyaji's verse no: 557 in vivekacUdAmani clearly says the

jnAni's body is dead as per him like a leaf is dead even before

falling from the tree.

 

brahmIbhUtasya yateH prag-eva tad-cidAgninA dagdham. - For the body

of a yati who has realised Brahman has already been burnt in the fire

of Knowledge (parNam-iva taroH prAg-eva- like the leaf of the tree

even before falling down(is dead).

 

This is my understanding.

 

In Shri Guru Smriti

Br. Pranipata Chaitanya

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brahmIbhUtasya yateH prag-eva tad-cidAgninA dagdham. - For the body

of a yati who has realised Brahman has already been burnt in the fire

of Knowledge (parNam-iva taroH prAg-eva- like the leaf of the tree

even before falling down(is dead).

praNAms Sri chaitanya prabhuji

Hare Krishna

Thanks for this advaita prakaraNa grantha's reference..It is a good one...As we know, jnAnAgni dagdhaM (or cidAgninA dagdhaM) does not mean here physical cremation of the jnAni..nor does it mean jnAna burns everything without any trace..It only means jnAna annihilates the duality & absolute non-duality prevails..In that absolute non-duality where is jnAni's BMI, where is jnAni's upahita chaitanya, where is the localized instruments of jnAni?? Hence shankara asks the question in bruhadAraNyaka : kEna karaNena?? I think in bruhadAraNyaka shruti, jnAni's body compared to valmeeka (ant hill) which looks solid from outside but hollow inside..

HariHari Hari Bol!!

bhaskar

PS : Sri Jaishankar prabhuji, I shall take your other schools summary on 27th Jan...Next three days holiday for me.. & I am going out of station to participate in a badminton tournament...we shall meet next Tuesday...till then...Hari bol!!!