Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Pranams , Thank you very much. Have downloaded the same. Looks very good. ramesh --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Sunder Hattangadi <sunderh wrote: Sunder Hattangadi <sunderh Re: Matteradvaitin Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 8:35 PM advaitin@ s.com, ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ ...> wrote:>nature exposes herself bit by bit> to our scientists as she deems fit ..It will not be very long when all the science> students end up having to study Advaita as well !> Namaste,John Dobson also wrote 'Advaita Vedanta and Modern Science' in 1979. The book is online at:http://www.geocitie s.com/SoHo/ Cafe/9535/ Vedanta/vedanta. htmlRegards,Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 advaitin , " Madathil Rajendran Nair " <madathilnair wrote: > > Namaste Rameshji. > > Excellent article. Thanks. > > Heartening to note that there great minds among the scientific fraternity who can relate advaita to physics so brilliantly. And, what a telepathic coincidence that you should be quoting Dobson at a time I was vainly struggling to express the same idea in my 44169! > > You scientists are indeed making this List really interesting. > > Best regards. > > Madathil Nair > ______________ Namaste Nair-ji! I hope you have been able to read through 'A Course in Consciousness'. The link was provided a few days ago here. I am about half way through this fascinating presentation that explores consciousness and advaita alongside quantum physics. Quantum physics seems to be leading science (at least physics) to advaita. The author, a professor of physics, gives primacy to consciousness with matter and energy being emergent phenomena. Harih Om. Neelakantan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Namaste Neelakantanji. Yes, I have read Sobbota (sp?) about three years ago and had discussed the contents of his essays in general with Dennisji. I don't remember whether we talked about it here or through private mail. Well, his work is commendable. But, to be honest with you, the scientific content of his papers, was a little too much for my lay mind. I had therefore to leave it somewhere more than half way. I may try to look at it again now since my latent interest has been revived by some positive comments here. Best regards. Madathil Nair _______________ advaitin , " Neelakantan " <pneelaka wrote: > > advaitin , " Madathil Rajendran Nair " <madathilnair@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Rameshji. > > > > Excellent article. Thanks. > > > > Heartening to note that there great minds among the scientific fraternity who can relate advaita to physics so brilliantly. And, what a telepathic coincidence that you should be quoting Dobson at a time I was vainly struggling to express the same idea in my 44169! > > > > You scientists are indeed making this List really interesting. > > > > Best regards. > > > > Madathil Nair > > ______________ > > > Namaste Nair-ji! > > I hope you have been able to read through 'A Course in Consciousness'. The link was provided a few days ago here. I am about half way through this fascinating presentation that explores consciousness and advaita alongside quantum physics. Quantum physics seems to be leading science (at least physics) to advaita. The author, a professor of physics, gives primacy to consciousness with matter and energy being emergent phenomena. > > Harih Om. > Neelakantan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 --- On Wed, 3/18/09, ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv wrote:  Now; can inert matter be conscious? How can it not be conscious? That is its nature ! ------------------- Rameshji PraNams – May be one needs both sides of the coin here - you can equally ask the question How can it not be conscious and also how can it be conscious?. Hence Vivekachuudamani - the maaya is defined in terms of both and neither - sannappasannaa ubhayaatmikaano bhinnaapyabhinnaa ubhayaatmikano sangaapyanangaa ubhayaatmikaano mahatbhuuta anivervacaniiya ruupa|| One cannot say it is sat (like ring cannot exist by itself without the support of gold) not it can be said that it is asat (since Ring is), neither one can say it is both sat and asat. Similarly one cannot say it is same as Brahman nor one can say it is different from brahman nor one can say it same and different from Brahman, One cannot say it has parts (from the point of its substantive) nor one can say it does not have parts (from the point of superimposed), nor one can say that it has no parts and have parts - It is of the nature of indescribable. Does inert has consciousness? - Scripture says it has existence borrowed from Brahman but knowledge of its existence is arrived with its consciousness revealed via conscious entity, the knower - since perceptuality condition involves existence of inert is united with the consciousness of the subject to establish the consciousness of the existence of the inert. Hence there is no independent existence for the inert besides the existence-consciousness - Hence scripture says - sarvam khalu idam brahman -all 'this' is nothing but Brahman and neha naanaasti kincana - there is nothing whatsoever - other than Brahman, the pure consciousness. Hari Om! Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 advaitin , ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv wrote: > Dear Lema , > The article below may be of interest to you .. Thank you it was. I knew of Mr. Dobson from his telescope mount design, but not that he was interested in Advaita. That article, and the link posted by Sunderji as a response below, were both interesting. Lema Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Here is an interview with Professor Stanley Sobottka from about 8 years ago. interview-with-prof-stanley-sobottka-by-ivan-frimmel advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf Of Madathil Rajendran Nair Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:33 PM advaitin Re: Matter Namaste Neelakantanji. Yes, I have read Sobbota (sp?) about three years ago and had discussed the contents of his essays in general with Dennisji. I don't remember whether we talked about it here or through private mail. Well, his work is commendable. But, to be honest with you, the scientific content of his papers, was a little too much for my lay mind. I had therefore to leave it somewhere more than half way. I may try to look at it again now since my latent interest has been revived by some positive comments here. Best regards. Madathil Nair _______________ advaitin , " Neelakantan " <pneelaka wrote: > > advaitin , " Madathil Rajendran Nair " <madathilnair@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Rameshji. > > > > Excellent article. Thanks. > > > > Heartening to note that there great minds among the scientific fraternity who can relate advaita to physics so brilliantly. And, what a telepathic coincidence that you should be quoting Dobson at a time I was vainly struggling to express the same idea in my 44169! > > > > You scientists are indeed making this List really interesting. > > > > Best regards. > > > > Madathil Nair > > ______________ > > > Namaste Nair-ji! > > I hope you have been able to read through 'A Course in Consciousness'. The link was provided a few days ago here. I am about half way through this fascinating presentation that explores consciousness and advaita alongside quantum physics. Quantum physics seems to be leading science (at least physics) to advaita. The author, a professor of physics, gives primacy to consciousness with matter and energy being emergent phenomena. > > Harih Om. > Neelakantan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Dear Sadanandaji, Thank you very much for the brilliant exposition ! We are all in effect saying the same thing over and over again ... Brahman Alone exists ! Everything whether inert ( with its limited consciousness ) or the highest living being ( with the highest state of consciousness) - All is contained in HIM .. Pranams ramesh --- On Thu, 3/19/09, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada wrote: kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisadaRe: Re: Matteradvaitin Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 11:12 PM --- On Wed, 3/18/09, ramesh chivukula <ramesh_chiv@ > wrote: Now; can inert matter be conscious? How can it not be conscious? That is its nature ! ------------ -------Rameshji PraNams –May be one needs both sides of the coin here - you can equally ask the question How can it not be conscious and also how can it be conscious?. Hence Vivekachuudamani - the maaya is defined in terms of both and neither -sannappasannaa ubhayaatmikaano bhinnaapyabhinnaa ubhayaatmikanosangaapyanangaa ubhayaatmikaanomahatbhuuta anivervacaniiya ruupa||One cannot say it is sat (like ring cannot exist by itself without the support of gold) not it can be said that it is asat (since Ring is), neither one can say it is both sat and asat.Similarly one cannot say it is same as Brahman nor one can say it is different from brahman nor one can say it same and different from Brahman, One cannot say it has parts (from the point of its substantive) nor one can say it does not have parts (from the point of superimposed) , nor one can say that it has no parts and have parts - It is of the nature of indescribable.Does inert has consciousness? - Scripture says it has existence borrowed from Brahman but knowledge of its existence is arrived with its consciousness revealed via conscious entity, the knower - since perceptuality condition involves existence of inert is united with the consciousness of the subject to establish the consciousness of the existence of the inert.Hence there is no independent existence for the inert besides the existence-conscious ness - Hence scripture says - sarvam khalu idam brahman -all 'this' is nothing but Brahman and neha naanaasti kincana - there is nothing whatsoever - other than Brahman, the pure consciousness.Hari Om!Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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