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THE HINDUS

 

An Alternative History

 

By Wendy Doniger

 

Penguin Press. 779 pp. $35

 

Any of us might make the same mistake: I didn't really notice the subtitle of

Wendy Doniger's massive study, " The Hindus. " I knew that she was an eminent

Sanskrit scholar at the University of Chicago, author of many books about

cultural, religious and folkloric beliefs, and a translator of several Indian

classics, including " The Rig Veda " and " The Kamasutra. " Her annotations to the

latter, that notorious manual of sexual practice, are, I can attest, as

entertaining and informative as the book itself.

 

The entire article is quite interesting:See the link below

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/18/AR2009031803924.\

html

 

Please make sure to cut and paste the entire two lines onto the Webbrowser

window if the link is broken.

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advaitin , " Ram Chandran " <ramvchandran wrote:

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> THE HINDUS

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> An Alternative History

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> By Wendy Doniger

 

Namaste Shri Ram Chandran-ji,

 

I am sincerely hoping you are posting this review,

not as a moderator, with the small accompanying hope

that you have an idea of her view of sanAtana-dharma,

which can euphemistically be described as overly

simplistic.

 

Please clarify.

praNAms

Ramakrishna

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Namaste Ramakrishnaji:

 

First all my posts to this list should be taken as to be coming a from a member

unless I state my moderator responsibilities in the message. This is also true

for all moderators and we all work behind the scene and all of us enjoy the same

privileges and follow the list guidelines, etc. I hope this clarification helps.

 

Today morning, while browsing through the Washington Post (my daily ritual), I

noticed this book reivew and I wanted to bring it to the attention of the

members as an information. This definitely does not mean that I agree with

everything that is written in the book. As you have noticed that this book

appears to cover a vast amount of topics which include Rig Vedas, Ramayana,

Mahabharat and the upanishads. The author has attempted to cover a vast amount

of literature and that may partly explain the noticed problems.

 

With my warm regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

 

advaitin , " Ramakrishna Upadrasta " <uramakrishna

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> Namaste Shri Ram Chandran-ji,

>

> I am sincerely hoping you are posting this review,

> not as a moderator, with the small accompanying hope

> that you have an idea of her view of sanAtana-dharma,

> which can euphemistically be described as overly

> simplistic.

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Namaste Shri Ram Chandran-ji,

 

advaitin , " Ram Chandran " <ramvchandran wrote:

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> Namaste Ramakrishnaji:

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> First all my posts to this list should be taken as to be coming a from a

> member unless I state my moderator responsibilities in the message. This

 

Thanks for the clarification that the message does not have the endorsement

of the moderators.

 

> The author has attempted to cover a vast amount of literature and that may

> partly explain the noticed problems.

 

Even if one had sent the message at a personal level, I would be surprised

by it, because the author is well known to be the leader of a group, that

have the habit of misrepresenting sanAtana-dharma that goes beyond what is

allowed through partial knowledge or ignorance or plain-incompetence, and

hence some scholars and critics attribute the group's intentions to malice.

 

Since this topic is orthogonal to our agenda, I will not be posting on it

anymore. If anyone wants more links on this, please mail me.

 

praNAms

Ramakrishna

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Namaste Sri Ramakrishna:

 

You have raised some valid points and I agree with you on what you have said.

What I have reported is a book review by the Washington Post daily newspaper.

The review brings some highlights from a specific book recently written by Prof.

Wendy Doniger.

 

Those who are familiar with the works of Prof. Wendy Doniger should come forward

and post all the relevant facts so that those who are thinking about buying the

book will get more facts about the author and her bias.

 

Interestingly Wikepedia contains several pages of information on Prof. Wendy

Doniger which also flaws in her works. According to Wikepedia article,

Professor Michael Witzel of Harvard University has claimed that Wendy Doniger's

of Vedic Sanskrit is severely flawed. When Witzel was publicly challenged to

prove this claim, he published examples of Doniger's mistranslations and termed

her translation as " UNRELIABLE and idiosyncratic " .

 

(1) ^ [http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9511 & L=indology & P=R1167

[Mail from Witzel, subject " W.D.O'Flaherty's Rgveda " ]

 

(2) ^ [http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9511 & L=indology & P=R1031

[Mail from Witzel, subject " W.D.O'Flaherty's Jaiminiya Brahmana " ]

 

I also recommend those interested to read an article published in Suleka.com

blogs (reference provided by Shyamji)

 

http://rajivmalhotra.sulekha.com/blog/post/2002/09/risa-lila-1-wendy-s-child-syn\

drome.htm#2#2

 

With my warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

Note: Please note that what I have posted is only the review by Michael Dirda

who discusses some highlights from the book. That is his openion and others like

you do have the right and responsiblity to provide all the facts so that we can

find out truth about the book and the author's intentions.

 

advaitin , " Ramakrishna Upadrasta " <uramakrishna

wrote:

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> Thanks for the clarification that the message does not have the endorsement of

the moderators.

>

> Even if one had sent the message at a personal level, I would be surprised

> by it, because the author is well known to be the leader of a group, that

> have the habit of misrepresenting sanAtana-dharma that goes beyond what is

> allowed through partial knowledge or ignorance or plain-incompetence, and

> hence some scholars and critics attribute the group's intentions to malice.

>

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advaitin , " Ram Chandran " <ramvchandran wrote:

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> Interestingly Wikepedia contains several pages of information on Prof. Wendy

Doniger which also flaws in her works. According to Wikepedia article,

Professor Michael Witzel of Harvard University has claimed that Wendy Doniger's

of Vedic Sanskrit is severely flawed. When Witzel was publicly challenged to

prove this claim, he published examples of Doniger's mistranslations and termed

her translation as " UNRELIABLE and idiosyncratic " .

> With my warmest regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

 

Michael Witzel himself is not a person who presents Hinduism and Indian

philosophy in an objective manner. A few years ago there was a running battle

between Witzel and David Frawling in the Hindu where the misrepresentations by

Witzel were brought out by Frawling.

 

S.N.Sastri

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Pranams Sastriji:

 

In the western way of life, `freedom' takes precedent over ethics (dharma) where

as in the eastern way of life, dharma has fundamental roots and it takes

precedent over freedom. In the entire Bhagavad Gita, karmas have to be

conducted without violating the dharmas. Those who work in academic institutions

(especially universities) have been shielded by `academic freedom' by which they

can express their opinions even when they are hurtful. This may partly explain

why we see such misrepresentations and inappropriate expressions from professors

who are expected to be objective and unbiased. Newspapers also enjoy special

protection (freedom of expression) for reporting and they often tend to misuse

their privileges.

 

Ethics is the most fundamental part of Sanatana Dharma and is given the place of

pride in all its schemes. Dharma was broadly interpreted as the underlying

ethics for a stable social order. Dharma is subtle and we can understand the

rules by following the role models of characters from Ramayana and Mahabharata.

There are plenty of examples in Ramayana and Mahabharat to portray both the good

(dharmic) and evil (adharmic) Bhagavad Gita discusses it in a diffused manner.

It looks on ethics as a divine manifestation and describes it as the basis of a

creative society. In essence Dharma is to be looked upon as the basis of

interpersonal relationship in the social context.

 

With my warm regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

advaitin , " snsastri " <sn.sastri wrote:

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> advaitin , " Ram Chandran " <ramvchandran@> wrote:

> >

> > Interestingly Wikepedia contains several pages of information on Prof. Wendy

Doniger which also flaws in her works. According to Wikepedia article,

Professor Michael Witzel of Harvard University has claimed that Wendy Doniger's

of Vedic Sanskrit is severely flawed. When Witzel was publicly challenged to

prove this claim, he published examples of Doniger's mistranslations and termed

her translation as " UNRELIABLE and idiosyncratic " .

> > With my warmest regards,

> >

> > Ram Chandran

>

> Michael Witzel himself is not a person who presents Hinduism and Indian

philosophy in an objective manner. A few years ago there was a running battle

between Witzel and David Frawling in the Hindu where the misrepresentations by

Witzel were brought out by Frawling.

>

> S.N.Sastri

>

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Dear all,

 

namaste

 

thank you very much for the various comments about the book " The Hindus " . I had

intended to purchase it but meanwhile dismissed the idea. Are there similar

books that actually can be recommended?

 

Thank you --

 

Om Shanti

 

Sitara

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advaitin , "Sitara" <smitali17 wrote:>> Dear all,> > namaste> > thank you very much for the various comments about the book "The Hindus". I had intended to purchase it but meanwhile dismissed the idea. Are there similar books that actually can be recommended?> > Thank you --> > Om Shanti> > Sitara>

Namaste!

I would recommend 'A Survey of Hinduism' by Klaus Klostermeyer. You can preview the book at the link below:http://books.google.com/books?id=ltn3OuF_i4sC & printsec=frontcover & dq=survey+of+hinduism

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A book I would regard as a must-read is the Sage of Kanchi's "Hindu Dharma".

 

 

http://www.amazon.com/Hindu-Dharma-Universal-Way-Life/dp/8172760558/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1237581836 & sr=8-1

 

Hari OM

Shyam--- On Fri, 3/20/09, Neelakantan <pneelaka wrote:

Neelakantan <pneelaka Re: Passages from India - A Book Reviewadvaitin Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 4:10 PM

 

 

 

advaitin@ s.com, "Sitara" <smitali17@.. .> wrote:>> Dear all,> > namaste> > thank you very much for the various comments about the book "The Hindus". I had intended to purchase it but meanwhile dismissed the idea. Are there similar books that actually can be recommended?> > Thank you --> > Om Shanti> > Sitara>

Namaste!

I would recommend 'A Survey of Hinduism' by Klaus Klostermeyer. You can preview the book at the link below:http://books. google.com/ books?id= ltn3OuF_i4sC & printsec=frontcover & dq=survey+of+ hinduism

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advaitin , Shyam <shyam_md wrote:

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> A book I would regard as a must-read is the Sage of Kanchi's " Hindu Dharma " .

>  

>  

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http://www.amazon.com/Hindu-Dharma-Universal-Way-Life/dp/8172760558/ref=pd_bbs_s\

r_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1237581836 & sr=8-1

 

Namaste,

 

The complete book is also online at:

 

http://kamakoti.org/newlayout/template/hindudharma.html

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

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Neelakantanji, Shyamji, Sunderji

 

my pranams

 

thank you for your recommendations. How fortunate that there is a possibility to

look at the content of both the books online before buying them.

 

Om Shanti

Sitara

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