Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Namaste All followers of this thread: In what focussed way is the dream like the waking state? There is consciousness, a continuity of consciousness and identification with states of consciousness. That range of similarity does not entitle us to claim global similarity that might lead to universal scepticism. The differences which Shankara points out are that nothing in the dream is sublatable, we do not stand aside from the dream events and judge them. It’s all inner. If negation is required it has to be acted out in the dream drama. If we want to say no to something we do its contrary. Propositional logic is not possible. From a physiological point of view the brain goes through different stages during sleep and dreaming is required for satisfactory rest. That is not to say that dreaming cannot be an esoteric portal for communication with enlightened beings and a vehicle for clairvoyance. Perhaps this is not dreaming proper however. Best Wishes, Michael. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 This subject is really interesting! I am not making any statement following are my reflections... I think we do follow thoroughly understood rules even in dreams. We know that we don't fly through the walls in dreams, we walk through the doors. We talk to humans... we don't talk to walls. At a subtle level there are rules that we follow. What we dont follow in dreams is what we don't understand! Mind is not static. I don't think we wake up from dreams with the same mind that went to sleep with. We know the stories of scientists who found solutions to some of their toughest problems in their dreams. So when they woke-up the mind changed with more clairity... the question is who is responsible for the dreaming mind? If the waker has no control over his dream then he must have obviously had no control over the solution. That solution must belong to someone/something else! Also when we throw vasanas, dreaming of future, reincarnation into the equation then understanding who controls the dream gets quite intriguing. Love & Light, Madhava advaitin , ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva wrote: > > Namaste All followers of this thread: > In what focussed way is the dream like the waking state? There is > consciousness, a continuity of consciousness and identification with > states of consciousness. That range of similarity does not entitle us to > claim global similarity that might lead to universal scepticism. The > differences which Shankara points out are that nothing in the dream is > sublatable, we do not stand aside from the dream events and judge them. > It’s all inner. > > If negation is required it has to be acted out in the dream drama. If we > want to say no to something we do its contrary. Propositional logic is not > possible. From a physiological point of view the brain goes through > different stages during sleep and dreaming is required for satisfactory > rest. > > That is not to say that dreaming cannot be an esoteric portal for > communication with enlightened beings and a vehicle for clairvoyance. > Perhaps this is not dreaming proper however. > > Best Wishes, > Michael. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Namaste. You won't believe Madhavaji, my advaitic reflections have continued into my dreams. Not that alone, I have tried 'the being in the NOW of Tolle' in dreams. That can't be done without some standing apart. So, dreams are more than what we understand them to be. I believe Acharya had a definite purpose in using dreams to demonstrate the truth. However, that doesn't empower us to believe that we know all about dreams. Let us appreciate the limited objective Acharya had in mind and avoid leading him into inconsistencies which are not of his making but purely ours. Best regards. MN _____________ advaitin , " Madhava Turumella " <madhava wrote: > > This subject is really interesting! I am not making any statement following are my reflections... > > I think we do follow thoroughly understood rules even in dreams. We know that we don't fly through the walls in dreams, we walk through the doors. We talk to humans... we don't talk to walls. At a subtle level there are rules that we follow. What we dont follow in dreams is what we don't understand! > > Mind is not static. I don't think we wake up from dreams with the same mind that went to sleep with. We know the stories of scientists who found solutions to some of their toughest problems in their dreams. So when they woke-up the mind changed with more clairity... the question is who is responsible for the dreaming mind? If the waker has no control over his dream then he must have obviously had no control over the solution. That solution must belong to someone/something else! > > Also when we throw vasanas, dreaming of future, reincarnation into the equation then understanding who controls the dream gets quite intriguing. >______________ > advaitin , ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva@> wrote: > > > > In what focussed way is the dream like the waking state? There is > > consciousness, a continuity of consciousness and identification with > > states of consciousness. That range of similarity does not entitle us to > > claim global similarity that might lead to universal scepticism. The > > differences which Shankara points out are that nothing in the dream is > > sublatable, we do not stand aside from the dream events and judge them. > > It’s all inner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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