RE: Even Consciousness is not the Final Reality ? - Dennis Waite

[Guest guest]

Dear Friend:

 

You are right that Self is without attributes and its nature is that of pure

consciousness. We have it both on the authority of the Upanishads and

strength of the spiritual maturity of the sages who attain Self-Knowledge

through spiritual practice and grace.

 

Prajnanam Brahma - " Consciousness is Brahman "

Aham Brahmasmi - " I am Brahman "

 

It does not matter if someone says that " consciousness is not the final

reality. " These are just words.

 

If one remains only within the domain of words, one can never become

Self-Realized. Certainly, we can agree that " words are not the final

reality. " The best words are those that help us transcend the words.

 

If this is not understood, words and conceptual baggage can actually obscure

Realization.

 

The " Final Reality " does not speak and say I am this or that or not this or

not that.

 

To Know Brahman, one has to Be Brahman.

 

Namaste and love

 

Yours in Bhagavan

Harsha

 

 

 

advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf

Of bengt.frost

Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:34 PM

advaitin

Even Conciousness is not the Final Reality ? - Dennis

Waite

 

Hi,

 

I have studied Non-dualistic philosophy for approximately 10 years,

but new to Advaita Vedanta :-$

To deepen my understanding of Advaita Vedanta I am reading Dennis Waite's

excellent book - " Back to THE TRUTH - 5000 years of ADVAITA " .

 

But I am a little puzzled when reading chapter 6 - Who I Really Am, section

- Describing the Self.

In subsection __Even Consciousness is not the Final Reality__

Dennis Waite references Nisargadetta Maharaj and (primary) Robert Powell to

state that Consciousness is __not__ the final Reality.

I know that Self-Atman-brahman is without attributes but it's __nature__ is

pure consciousness - as stated in Upanishads.

I agree with traditional(Adi Shankara) Advaita Vedanta claming this.

 

Am I missing something here?

 

Note.

I have read previous Advaitin threads where Nisargadetta Maharaj description

of Awareness is interpreted as equivalent with Consciousness.

 

 

 

---

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Friend,

 

Your answer is clarifying and though " words are words "

" The best words are those that help us transcend the words "

and ultimately " To Know Brahman, one has to Be Brahman " .

Thanks!

 

Yours sincerely,

-- Bengt Frost

 

 

 

2009/3/29 Harsha :

> Dear Friend:

>

> You are right that Self is without attributes and its nature is that of pure

> consciousness. We have it both on the authority of the Upanishads and

> strength of the spiritual maturity of the sages who attain Self-Knowledge

> through spiritual practice and grace.

>

> Prajnanam Brahma - " Consciousness is Brahman "

> Aham Brahmasmi - " I am Brahman "

>

> It does not matter if someone says that " consciousness is not the final

> reality. " These are just words.

>

> If one remains only within the domain of words, one can never become

> Self-Realized. Certainly, we can agree that " words are not the final

> reality. " The best words are those that help us transcend the words.

>

> If this is not understood, words and conceptual baggage can actually obscure

> Realization.

>

> The " Final Reality " does not speak and say I am this or that or not this or

> not that.

>

> To Know Brahman, one has to Be Brahman.

>

> Namaste and love

>

> Yours in Bhagavan

> Harsha

>

>

> advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf

> Of bengt.frost

> Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:34 PM

> advaitin

> Even Conciousness is not the Final Reality ? - Dennis

> Waite

>

> Hi,

>

> I have studied Non-dualistic philosophy for approximately 10 years,

> but new to Advaita Vedanta :-$

> To deepen my understanding of Advaita Vedanta I am reading Dennis Waite's

> excellent book - " Back to THE TRUTH - 5000 years of ADVAITA " .

>

> But I am a little puzzled when reading chapter 6 - Who I Really Am, section

> - Describing the Self.

> In subsection __Even Consciousness is not the Final Reality__

> Dennis Waite references Nisargadetta Maharaj and (primary) Robert Powell to

> state that Consciousness is __not__ the final Reality.

> I know that Self-Atman-brahman is without attributes but it's __nature__ is

> pure consciousness - as stated in Upanishads.

> I agree with traditional(Adi Shankara) Advaita Vedanta claming this.

>

> Am I missing something here?

>

> Note.

> I have read previous Advaitin threads where Nisargadetta Maharaj description

> of Awareness is interpreted as equivalent with Consciousness.

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

advaitin , Bengt Frost <bengtfrost wrote:

>

> Dear Friend,

>

> Your answer is clarifying and though " words are words "

> " The best words are those that help us transcend the words "

> and ultimately " To Know Brahman, one has to Be Brahman " .

> Thanks!

>

> Yours sincerely,

> -- Bengt Frost

>

namaste bengt,

 

The lucky thing is, you are already brahman. you could

not be more brahman if you tried. Because you are already

brahman and because you have a human mind which is

capable of recognizing that fact, you can know

that you are brahman. One cannot become that which one

already is, but one can recognize that which one has not

recognized as yet.

 

pranams,

Durga