Waking and Dream States

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Dennis-ji wrote:

I think we eventually have to concede that we will never have a totally

satisfactory explanation for empirical reality. And this is inevitable,

given that the (absolute) fact of the matter is that there is not even a

world now, let alone ‘before humans arrived’. All there ever has been and

will be is name and form of the non-dual brahman.

 

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Namaste Dennis-ji,

The statement in question was - " The blue print for the creation of the

dream world come from the vaasanaas of the individual and blue print for

the creation of the waking world

comes from the samashTi vaasanaas of the all jiivas put together. "

(Sada-ji)

 

This statement is very much anchored in the relative domain of waking and

dreaming. What have the patterns and tendencies of the human mind have to

do with the Periodic Table for instance? Our personal interactions are

based on those manifestations of mind. They cant really be responsible

for the make-up of the physical world.

 

When we move to the absolute domain your answer makes ‘ajativada’ sense

but the statement that I question was not about that. We need to be

accurate or beginners will be led astray.

 

Best Wishes,

Michael.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Michael-ji,

My point is that, since the world itself is not actually real,

we can never have any ultimately ‘real’ explanations for anything that appears

to happen there. Explanations from the scriptures are interim only until the

final understanding dawns. Until that time, since we are following the path of

advaita, the best that we can do is to follow that interim, scriptural teaching.

And, as far as I am aware, the statements that Sada-ji made are perfectly in

accord with this.

Best wishes,

Dennis

 

 

 

 

 

advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf Of ombhurbhuva

Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:18 AM

advaitin

Waking and Dream States

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This statement is very much anchored in the relative domain of waking and

dreaming. What have the patterns and tendencies of the human mind have to

do with the Periodic Table for instance? Our personal interactions are

based on those manifestations of mind. They cant really be responsible

for the make-up of the physical world.

 

When we move to the absolute domain your answer makes ‘ajativada’ sense

but the statement that I question was not about that. We need to be

accurate or beginners will be led astray.

 

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[Guest guest]

H.N.Sreenivasa Murthy

Pranams to all

 

advaitin , kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada

wrote: " Only when one compares the two states, say in the waking state, then the

dream state appears to have a lower degree of reality, in relation to the waking

state. Similarly when one transcends to the highest state, paaramaarthika, both

waking and dream states are sublimated as unreal. "

 

Dear Sri Sadananda,

 

I request you kindly to reveal how the stated statement is a fact and

please show how one could transcend to the highest state, paramarthika, so that

both waking and dream states are sublimated as unreal. This wii help a lot of

mumukshus to reach the goal. The guidane and from your end in this direction is

a must and I trust that

your guidance in the light of your svAnuBava will be gratefully remembered by

genuine seekers in ths advaitin group who are not aware of the methodology .

This can be done at your earliest convenience.

 

With warm and respectful regards,

Sreenivasa Murthy.