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Adi Shankara defines Adhyasa as " the apparent presentation, to consciousness, by

way of memory of something previously observed in some other thing "

 

So Adhyasa is illusory perception of an object with something else seen earlier

elsewhere. Superimposition of one reality on another.

 

In the snake & rope example the rope is mistaken for a snake in dim light

because we have seen & experienced a real snake before. Had we not seen a snake

before we would've not mistaken the rope with a snake but with something else we

have seen before. The point is for Adhyasa we should have memory of something

previously observed.

 

It is because the non-self superimposes on the Self, the existence of the Self

is not apprehended. So where does the memory of non-self comes from ?

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advaitin , " Yuvraj " <the_yuvraj wrote:

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> It is because the non-self superimposes on the Self, the existence of the Self

is not apprehended. So where does the memory of non-self comes from ?

>

 

Memory of any thing comes from a previous perception of that thing.

 

Regards,

Raj.

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advaitin@ s.com, " Yuvraj " <the_yuvraj@ ...> wrote:

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> It is because the non-self superimposes on the Self, the existence of the Self

is not apprehended. So where does the memory of non-self comes from ?

>

 

Shree Yuvraj - PraNAms

 

Just as when I go to deep sleep (laya) the memory of the world goes into a

potential form in the mind, similarly when cosmic sleep occurs (pralaya) the

memory of all beings goes into a potential form - this is called karma which

forms the basis for the creation of anaatma. Thus previous life forms the basis

for the present life and previous to previous life forms the basis for the

previous life and this is eternal cycle - the creation-sustenance and

annihilation - cycle goes on until one realizes I am atma and not anaatma. This

is a beginning less cycle since root cause is avidya which is beginning less.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

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Dear Sri Yuvaraj ji,

Namaste.

 

What Sri Sadaji and Sri Raj said are very apt. In the Adhyasa Bhasya,

Sri Shankara takes up this issue. He says: naisargiko ayam loka

vivaharaH (ie., experience of this universe is there always). It is

anaadi or beggingless. Asking why for this is not a question because,

the answer for the same would be " maya " , which no one can explain.

After all, we got into this state and it is only for us to escape

this.

 

With regards,

Anupam.

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:43 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda

<kuntimaddisada wrote:

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>

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> advaitin@ s.com, " Yuvraj " <the_yuvraj@ ...> wrote:

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>

>> It is because the non-self superimposes on the Self, the existence of the

>> Self is not apprehended. So where does the memory of non-self comes from ?

>>

>

> Shree Yuvraj - PraNAms

>

> Just as when I go to deep sleep (laya) the memory of the world goes into a

> potential form in the mind, similarly when cosmic sleep occurs (pralaya) the

> memory of all beings goes into a potential form - this is called karma which

> forms the basis for the creation of anaatma. Thus previous life forms the

> basis for the present life and previous to previous life forms the basis for

> the previous life and this is eternal cycle - the creation-sustenance and

> annihilation - cycle goes on until one realizes I am atma and not anaatma.

> This is a beginning less cycle since root cause is avidya which is beginning

> less.

>

> Hari Om!

> Sadananda

>

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Yuvraj wrote:

 

Adi Shankara defines Adhyasa as " the apparent presentation, to

consciousness, by

way of memory of something previously observed in some other thing "

 

So Adhyasa is illusory perception of an object with something else seen

earlier

elsewhere. Superimposition of one reality on another.

 

In the snake & rope example the rope is mistaken for a snake in dim light

because we have seen & experienced a real snake before. Had we not seen a

snake

before we would've not mistaken the rope with a snake but with something

else we

have seen before. The point is for Adhyasa we should have memory of

something

previously observed.

 

It is because the non-self superimposes on the Self, the existence of the

Self

is not apprehended. So where does the memory of non-self comes from ?

 

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Namaste Yuvraj-ji, Padma-ji and Advaitins,

 

If Padma-ji asks what use philosophy is, for enlightenment I presume, then

the answer is - optional. However for such questions as the one posed by

Yuvraj it is exceptionally useful. The philosopher is like the musician

who can discern all the layers in a piece of music both harmonic and

dissonant whilst at the same time feeling the whole.

 

The Adhyasa music has two layers in it. (a) There is the perceptual in

which the phenomenon of confusion is used as an analogy for the way in

which the inert object comes to be in the mind of the conscious subject.

(b) Adhyasa itself as a totality is likened to error in that it is only

possible because its possibility is underwritten by the unity of subject

and object or because in reality there can be no boundaries in

consciousness. This is easy to see for the state of pure consciousness

but in the diversified state the subject/object division seems to be an

ultimate. This is the ignorance that is spoken of.

 

Padma-ji?s question has to do with the (a) part of the harmony. It arises

out of the over-extension of the analogy of confusion by making it a

parallel or homology. What is also happening is that this overextension

gets moved to the (b) part of the composition.

 

Shankara in the preamble to B.S.B. deals with both of those issues without

any attempt to disentangle them. This creates its own problem! However

to proceed, Shankara denies that only known or knowable things can be

confused. He offers the case of sky/pan and sky/dirt. Sky here is a

synonym for space and space cannot be sensed by sight or have a shape.

Moreover it is not true that the Self cannot be known for it is never an

unknown.

 

That this ?only known things can be confused? is a standard objection can

be seen from its occurrence in Upa.Sah. Is the extension of the

confusion analogy to sky/dirt in effect turning it into an homology or the

effect of the polemical spirit that will not concede anything lest the

whole argument fail. The important thing is that the self is never

un-known which really has to do with the (b) part of the music. Again

this is a minor part of the argument that only a philosopher hears or

imagines he hears.

 

Best Wishes,

Michael.

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