concepts and objects

[Guest guest]

Namaste Sitara-ji,

A further note

What do you have if you have a concept e.g. The concept of white? You

have the capacity to use the word in a way that is correct. You will

recognise white in milk, chalk, cheese etc. There are other general

concepts which might have a layered aspect to them. A standard concept of

space and a physicist's concept might differ but there is enough

commonality for communication. The concept of an object is understood by

everybody but different systems of metaphysics as they uncover they layers

of it may come up with different ideas. In effect though they have the

same concept i.e.the concept of an object, their judgments of what an

object is beneath that surface commonality differ.

 

What is implicit in our concepts can be uncovered by inquiry. In the

concept of a surface, is it implicit that it have a colour? What of the

concept of the Self? We have one certainly but can it be made explicit?

Some sages will give a definite definition, others will say that it is no

good parroting a catechism, you must examine your own concept and see

whether it is adequate. Clearly having the same concept is not having an

object.

 

Best Wishes,

Michael

[Guest guest]

Hi Michael and all,

 

Talking of an object suppose there is a subject who perceive/conceive this

object. They are inseparable. You can't consider one of them without bringing,

in some way or another, the second.

The problem arises, imo, when we try to think of the subject as an object, which

is a pure nonsense, of course. So, your question:

 

> What of the

> concept of the Self?

 

isn't it a contradiction in terms. If the Self is the " knower " , it must be

" unknown " , and beyond any " concept " . Otherwise, it is not the real subject...

 

 

Just my two cents.

Hakim

 

 

advaitin , ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva wrote:

>

> Namaste Sitara-ji,

> A further note

> What do you have if you have a concept e.g. The concept of white? You

> have the capacity to use the word in a way that is correct. You will

> recognise white in milk, chalk, cheese etc. There are other general

> concepts which might have a layered aspect to them. A standard concept of

> space and a physicist's concept might differ but there is enough

> commonality for communication. The concept of an object is understood by

> everybody but different systems of metaphysics as they uncover they layers

> of it may come up with different ideas. In effect though they have the

> same concept i.e.the concept of an object, their judgments of what an

> object is beneath that surface commonality differ.

>

> What is implicit in our concepts can be uncovered by inquiry. In the

> concept of a surface, is it implicit that it have a colour? What of the

> concept of the Self? We have one certainly but can it be made explicit?

> Some sages will give a definite definition, others will say that it is no

> good parroting a catechism, you must examine your own concept and see

> whether it is adequate. Clearly having the same concept is not having an

> object.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Michael

>