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Nairji, Shyamji, Bhaskaranji and others contributing to this thread,

 

Pranams

 

I am a bit confused about the term " the Lord " that you use. Is it equivalent to

Brahman? Or Ishvara? Or Krishna? And in what sense?

 

The language you use is dualistic, as is the nature of language. But is it more

than just linguistics?

 

Thank you for clarifying.

 

Om Shanti

 

Sitara

 

 

 

 

advaitin , Baskaran <baskaran42 wrote:

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> hare krishna, namaskarams

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> --- On Wed, 20/5/09, Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair wrote:

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> {I may read a thousand books, listen to scores of great teachers, aspire for

an unquenchable thirst for liberation. But, whether I become a good mumukShu

and attain my goal is still in the hands of the Lord, chariot and charioteer

notwithstanding. This may sound like absolute fatalism. But, isn't it the

truth?In that sense, isn't the intelligent surrender envisioned above real

liberation? The surrender is also not mine; it is the Lord's! Isn't it real

Advaita where the Lord alone remains? The thirst is the Lord; the glass of water

and the quenching of the thirst too is the Lord. In fact, there is no duality

anywhere in this world of the Lord, which is the Lord through and through. That

is *an understanding as well as an experience* to be lived.]absolutely

correct.one has to wait for the lord's  grace for that liberation.the final

stage of all the endeavor is just wait with the faith that oneness is felt by

yourself.baskaran.

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Namaste Sitara-ji.

 

I thought we all knew all these things here.

 

Anyway, since you have asked, let me try to find out if I know.

 

1. To me, Lord is what reveals before me day in and day out.

2. That Lord is Brahman misunderstood as there is a seeing of what is revealed

as an objectification (duality).

3. The " I " in the above statements stands for the entity currently

communicating with you and thinks (has a wrong notion) that it sees a revealing.

4. When that wrong notion vanishes, the I + Revealed is ONE (Brahman).

5. Ishwara then vanishes. He is jobless because there is no more any revealing

as objectificaton taking place.

6. It is about the cessation of the revealing as objectification that we were

quibbling here a couple of months ago, which I don't want to see resume.

7. Unconditinal surrender to the Lord is the means to realize one's ONENESS.

 

Best regards.

 

Madathil Nair

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advaitin , " Sitara " <smitali17 wrote:

 

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> I am a bit confused about the term " the Lord " that you use. Is it equivalent

to Brahman? Or Ishvara? Or Krishna? And in what sense?

>

> The language you use is dualistic, as is the nature of language. But is it

more than just linguistics?

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Nairji,

 

Pranams

 

yes, we all know this. Thank you anyway for replying. I got confused because of

the dualism in language.

To say > 7. Unconditional surrender to the Lord is the means to realize one's

ONENESS.

sounds like a contradiction in terms to me. But I understand what you mean to

say.

 

Om Shanti

Sitara

 

 

advaitin , " Madathil Rajendran Nair " <madathilnair

wrote:

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> Namaste Sitara-ji.

>

> I thought we all knew all these things here.

>

> Anyway, since you have asked, let me try to find out if I know.

>

> 1. To me, Lord is what reveals before me day in and day out.

> 2. That Lord is Brahman misunderstood as there is a seeing of what is

revealed as an objectification (duality).

> 3. The " I " in the above statements stands for the entity currently

communicating with you and thinks (has a wrong notion) that it sees a revealing.

> 4. When that wrong notion vanishes, the I + Revealed is ONE (Brahman).

> 5. Ishwara then vanishes. He is jobless because there is no more any

revealing as objectificaton taking place.

> 6. It is about the cessation of the revealing as objectification that we were

quibbling here a couple of months ago, which I don't want to see resume.

> 7. Unconditinal surrender to the Lord is the means to realize one's ONENESS.

>

> Best regards.

>

> Madathil Nair

> _________________

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> advaitin , " Sitara " <smitali17@> wrote:

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> >

> > I am a bit confused about the term " the Lord " that you use. Is it equivalent

to Brahman? Or Ishvara? Or Krishna? And in what sense?

> >

> > The language you use is dualistic, as is the nature of language. But is it

more than just linguistics?

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Namaste Sitara-ji.

 

I can possbly see why you see a contradiction. Perhaps, it is the duality of

surrenderer and surrenderee that is bothering you against the ONENESS I am

trying to conclude.

 

May I say that, like the triad of knower, knowing and known fusing into ONENESS

upon the dawn of Knowledge, the three S's mentioned above also ultimately end

up in ONENESS. Isn't that what happened with all the great devotees like Meera

et al? Hope this is your understanding too.

 

Best regards.

 

Madathil Nair

__________________

 

advaitin , " Sitara " <smitali17 wrote:

> To say > 7. Unconditional surrender to the Lord is the means to realize one's

ONENESS.

> sounds like a contradiction in terms to me. But I understand what you mean to

say.

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Yes, Nairji,

 

this is my understanding too and you are right with

quote:it is the duality of surrenderer and surrenderee that is bothering you

against the ONENESS

 

Pranams und thank you again.

 

Om Shanti

Sitara

 

 

advaitin , " Madathil Rajendran Nair " <madathilnair

wrote:

>

> Namaste Sitara-ji.

>

> I can possbly see why you see a contradiction. Perhaps, it is the duality of

surrenderer and surrenderee that is bothering you against the ONENESS I am

trying to conclude.

>

> May I say that, like the triad of knower, knowing and known fusing into

ONENESS upon the dawn of Knowledge, the three S's mentioned above also

ultimately end up in ONENESS. Isn't that what happened with all the great

devotees like Meera et al? Hope this is your understanding too.

>

> Best regards.

>

> Madathil Nair

> __________________

>

> advaitin , " Sitara " <smitali17@> wrote:

> > To say > 7. Unconditional surrender to the Lord is the means to realize

one's ONENESS.

> > sounds like a contradiction in terms to me. But I understand what you mean

to say.

>

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