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If the mind/brain is inert as the Advaitins hold then it is subject to the

laws of material reality which are fixed. That is one aspect. However

the brain/mind is pervaded by consciousness which is formless and free.

Pervasion is an analogy of course, the reality is that everything is

consciousness, consciousness is the being of everything. So the human

being in his awareness of the world which involves making decisions

experiences the tension between material determinism and the freedom of

consciousness. It depends on what you identify with as your reality

whether you feel bound or free.

 

The question at issue is about the will. Not to belabour the point, we

are bound in that the brain/mind apparatus that is the foundation of the

will is inert, free in that the consciousness which makes this activity

conscious to itself is eternally free. The sages recommend surrender as

the key to the solution of this conflict.

 

Best Wishes,

Michael.

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advaitin , ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva wrote:

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> If the mind/brain is inert as the Advaitins hold then it is subject to the

> laws of material reality which are fixed. That is one aspect. However

> the brain/mind is pervaded by consciousness which is formless and free.

> Pervasion is an analogy of course, the reality is that everything is

> consciousness, consciousness is the being of everything. So the human

> being in his awareness of the world which involves making decisions

> experiences the tension between material determinism and the freedom of

> consciousness. It depends on what you identify with as your reality

> whether you feel bound or free.

>

> The question at issue is about the will. Not to belabour the point, we

> are bound in that the brain/mind apparatus that is the foundation of the

> will is inert, free in that the consciousness which makes this activity

> conscious to itself is eternally free. The sages recommend surrender as

> the key to the solution of this conflict.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Michael.

>

 

Michaelji, here is how I see it.

 

Two positions

 

1. Consciousness is.

 

2. Consciousness is the being of everything (...pervades all)

 

Discussion is regarding 2.

 

If there is discussion, there is will. Faith in will precedes or accompanies

recognition/assertion/analysis of fixed laws governing 'everything'. When 2 is

transcended, will & law simultaneously cease to be real: 1.

 

I am not sure Advaita contradicts this. For instance, in the other list,

Vidyasankarji also gives a similar position:

 

" Individual 'free will' is an illusion on the same level as the notion of the

'individual' itself. So long as there is a you vs. me in my mind, there is an

'individual' I and this 'I' has both destiny and will. So individual action is

not a myth in and of itself; it is dependent upon the notion of the individual. "

 

thollmelukaalkizhu

 

(Reaction:Action)::(Will:Consciousness)::(Being:Self)

Seen::Seeing::Seer

This::Am::I

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Dear Friends,

There is only One Will. That is God's Will.

Your will is controlled by your mind and intellect. And they are actually not

your's. They are only God's gift.

Whatever you do every minute or even second, is determined by God. You do not

have any control over them.

What you can do is only Pray God ! Surrender !

 

 

 

 

 

 

With Best Regards,

 

N.S. Parasuraman

 

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--- On Mon, 25/5/09, putranm <putranm wrote:

 

 

putranm <putranm

Re: Discussion on Free Will

advaitin

Monday, 25 May, 2009, 9:12 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

advaitin@ s.com, ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva@ ...> wrote:

>

> If the mind/brain is inert as the Advaitins hold then it is subject to the

> laws of material reality which are fixed. That is one aspect. However

> the brain/mind is pervaded by consciousness which is formless and free.

> Pervasion is an analogy of course, the reality is that everything is

> consciousness, consciousness is the being of everything. So the human

> being in his awareness of the world which involves making decisions

> experiences the tension between material determinism and the freedom of

> consciousness. It depends on what you identify with as your reality

> whether you feel bound or free.

>

> The question at issue is about the will. Not to belabour the point, we

> are bound in that the brain/mind apparatus that is the foundation of the

> will is inert, free in that the consciousness which makes this activity

> conscious to itself is eternally free. The sages recommend surrender as

> the key to the solution of this conflict.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Michael.

>

 

Michaelji, here is how I see it.

 

Two positions

 

1. Consciousness is.

 

2. Consciousness is the being of everything (...pervades all)

 

Discussion is regarding 2.

 

If there is discussion, there is will. Faith in will precedes or accompanies

recognition/ assertion/ analysis of fixed laws governing 'everything' . When 2

is transcended, will & law simultaneously cease to be real: 1.

 

I am not sure Advaita contradicts this. For instance, in the other list,

Vidyasankarji also gives a similar position:

 

" Individual 'free will' is an illusion on the same level as the notion of the

'individual' itself. So long as there is a you vs. me in my mind, there is an

'individual' I and this 'I' has both destiny and will. So individual action is

not a myth in and of itself; it is dependent upon the notion of the individual. "

 

thollmelukaalkizhu

 

(Reaction:Action) ::(Will:Consciou sness)::( Being:Self)

Seen::Seeing: :Seer

This::Am::I

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You have expressed beautifully Michael.

 

PraNams

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 5/25/09, ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva wrote:

 

 

>

> The question at issue is about the will.  Not to 

> belabour the point, we 

> are bound in that the brain/mind apparatus that is the

> foundation of the 

> will is inert, free in that the consciousness which makes

> this activity 

> conscious to itself is eternally free.  The sages

> recommend surrender as 

> the key to the solution of this conflict.

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