Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Dear learned members: Are their subtle shades of differences from a scholarly perspective between how the terms Ishvara, Bhagavan, and Paramatman, are used? Namaste and love to all Yours in Bhagavan Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Dear Harsha-ji Pranams. Paramatman - is the Impersonal Absolute, Purusha, Atman, or Brahman. Ishwara - is the verisame Paramatman viewed through the prism of beginningless avidyA by a jiva. Hence he is the Ruler. Being the bestower of karmaphala He is called the Karmaphaladaata. Bhagawan - refers to Ishwara alone - in the words of the Bhagawatam - [vadanti tat tattva-vidas tattvam yaj jnanam advayam brahmeti paramatmeti bhagavan iti sabdyate The Learned Know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramatma or Bhagavan.] But in particular the term Bhagawan means the one possessed of unlimited wealth - Bhaga - traditionally defined as the six-fold wealth, in the form of knowledge, power, strength, opulence, heroism, and splendor. For a perspective on Ishwara and Brahman you could read: http://www.adi-shankara.org/2008/03/ishwara-and-advaita.html http://www.adi-shankara.org/2007/02/srshti-we-cognize-is-in-perfect-order.html Hari OM Shri Gurubhyoh namah Shyam --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Harsha wrote: Harsha The name of God? advaitin Sunday, June 14, 2009, 8:55 PM Dear learned members: Are their subtle shades of differences from a scholarly perspective between how the terms Ishvara, Bhagavan, and Paramatman, are used? Namaste and love to all Yours in Bhagavan Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Dear Sri Harsha ji, Namaste. > Are their subtle shades of differences from a scholarly perspective between > how the terms Ishvara, Bhagavan, and Paramatman, are used? The differences are based on the context in which the terms are used. At many places, they are used synonymously. At some places the difference is to be reckoned. What Sri Shyam said is true. With regards, Anupam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 advaitin , " Harsha " wrote: > > Dear learned members: > Are their subtle shades of differences from a scholarly perspective between > how the terms Ishvara, Bhagavan, and Paramatman, are used? Hari Om Harshaji, Pranaams! The following verses from shrImadbhAgavatam will serve as reference to what has been explained by Shri Shyamji. Ishvaro jIvakalayA praviShTo bhagavAniti. etat bhagavato rUpaM brahmanaH paramAtmanaH. paraM pradhAnaM puruShaM daivaM karmaviceShTitam. (Shlokas 34 & 36 Chapter 29, skandaH 3) In Shri Guru Smriti, Br. Pranipata Chaitanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Thank you Shyam-ji and Chaitanya-ji: I was traveling and am catching up with my e-mail. Chaitanya-ji, perhaps you can translate the verse in English and explain it. Thanks. Love to all Yours in Bhagavan Harsha advaitin [advaitin ] On Behalf Of pranipatachaitanya Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:14 AM advaitin Re: The name of God? advaitin , " Harsha " wrote: > > Dear learned members: > Are their subtle shades of differences from a scholarly perspective between > how the terms Ishvara, Bhagavan, and Paramatman, are used? Hari Om Harshaji, Pranaams! The following verses from shrImadbhAgavatam will serve as reference to what has been explained by Shri Shyamji. Ishvaro jIvakalayA praviShTo bhagavAniti. etat bhagavato rUpaM brahmanaH paramAtmanaH. paraM pradhAnaM puruShaM daivaM karmaviceShTitam. (Shlokas 34 & 36 Chapter 29, skandaH 3) In Shri Guru Smriti, Br. Pranipata Chaitanya --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 advaitin , " Harsha " wrote: > Chaitanya-ji, perhaps you can translate the verse in English and explain it. Hari Om Harshaji, Pranaams! Simply put the shloka means it is the same entity known variously as jIva, Ishvara, Bhagavan, paramAtma and Brahman. More than the meaning or interpretation, the willingness to accept the non-dual nature brings out the essence of these Kapila Gita shlokas. I try below the interpretation pointing to this. Ishvaro jIvakalayA praviShto bhagavAniti. Iti – Know for sure; jIvakalayA praviShtaH – the one entered as jIva; (is) IshvaraH, BhagavAn. etat bhagavato rUpaM brahmaNaH paramAtmanaH. paraM pradhAnaM puruShaM daivaM karmaviceShTitam.. etat – this jIva; (is) bhagavataH, brahmaNaH, paramAtmanaH – BhagavAn's, Brahman's, ParamAtman's; paraM(higher/different) pradhAnaM puruSham daivam karmaviceShTitam(brings out activity of karma) rUpam –form/nature. a. The word Ishvara is used in Gita to denote Brahman, Jiva and Ishvara. b. The sixth case ending(possessive) in bhagavataH, brahmanaH and paramAtmanaH doesnot separate jiva but to be treated as `tat mama paramam dhAma; brahmanaH aham pratiShThA'. c. param as different can quality only pradhAnam to mean different than prakrti; as higher quality puruSham, daivam and karmaviceShTitam. Not taken in the sense of higher with pradhAnam, since it would mean para-prakrti jiva and won't give any meaning in this shloka. In Shri Guru Smriti, Br. Pranipata Chaitanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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