Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Namaste, all We observe from day today experience that nobody wants to be “ignoredâ€, AbAlavridham, i.e. from a baby to an old person. What is the reason for this particularly from the angle of Advaita? Similarly, nobody wants to be told that he/she is a bad person. On the other hand, everybody feels happy if he or she is told that he/she is a good person, even if he/she need not be so. With kind regards, R. S. Mani Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Dear Maniji, You have an unforgivable knack of coming up with doubts/questions when the answers to them are already well known to you! Now, before I am pulled up on the premise that the word " unforgivable' is derogatory, let me assure you and all that I have used it in a very very friendly manner. I could have avoided using it. Then, that would have amounted to denial of humour and made this message rather drab. See, you have now seen that I think I am humorous and if anybody says I am not, I would resent it. KyOm? Coz one loves only oneself - be he an ignoramus or a realized master. In the former case, that oneself is limited to just the needs of the body, some wild outward expressions of internalizations and the immediate possessions surrounding them. Any threat or hindrance to them will be severely dealt with. For the latter, the whole Universe is he himself. Where is there anything for him to resent and not be in love with? He is beyond hurt and praise. He is Love without any objects of love. Kindly send me a one-liner saying my mail is fantastic, our dear Bhaskarji's objection notwithstanding. Otherwise, I would feel put off! And, thank you, Brahmnin Maniji, for having given this Kshatriya (Not my claim; some others say so, although I would personally and rightfully prefer Shudrahood! There is muscle, method and sweat in it!) Nair-ji an opportunity to express. You have, indeed, brought some fresh air with your mail into our brahminic atmosphere. Again, this is humour please! Best regards. Madathil Nair ___________________ advaitin , " R.S.MANI " <r_s_mani wrote: > We observe from day today experience that nobody wants to be “ignoredâ€, AbAlavridham, i.e. from a baby to an old person. What is the reason for this particularly from the angle of Advaita? > Similarly, nobody wants to be told that he/she is a bad person. On the other hand, everybody feels happy if he or she is told that he/she is a good person, even if he/she need not be so. > With kind regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 advaitin , " R.S.MANI " <r_s_mani wrote: > > > > Namaste, all > We observe from day today experience that nobody wants to be “ignoredâ€, AbAlavridham, i.e. from a baby to an old person. What is the reason for this particularly from the angle of Advaita? > Similarly, nobody wants to be told that he/she is a bad person. On the other hand, everybody feels happy if he or she is told that he/she is a good person, even if he/she need not be so. > With kind regards, > > R. S. Mani > Maniji, From advaita standpoint, with focus on the one Self, there is no feeling of incompleteness, etc: a jnani has no " want " for attention or praise. So your question is relevant for ajnanis only - there lies the answer as well. However a general person can be true to their feelings, and take relative positions in a relative world. It is based on dvaita, feelings of distinction, etc., but I know of people who will slap the mosquito drinking their blood and those who will drive it away. Who is right? I know of people who won't drink milk thinking of the potential suffering the cow or calf may have undergone. I am not one such. I can be " not bad " or " bad " depending on how I stretch advaita. How practical our Love can become - I will not put on a jnani's cap in human interactions unless I am going to be silent!! In the relative world, the thief has his justification and it is as good as the saint's. You cannot argue for perfect right or wrong, except by appealing to some common ground of understanding. All such grounds must drop in the final Understanding, so our hope of twisting a " relative-right " out of advaita has no full basis, except the selfish one of what will lead us to that Truth. I will take that as dharma where the scripture or sages direct, but not independently as " right " or " good " . thollmelukaalkizhu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 advaitin , " R.S.MANI " <r_s_mani wrote: > > > > Namaste, all > We observe from day today experience that nobody wants to be “ignoredâ€, AbAlavridham, i.e. from a baby to an old person. What is the reason for this particularly from the angle of Advaita? > Similarly, nobody wants to be told that he/she is a bad person. On the other hand, everybody feels happy if he or she is told that he/she is a good person, even if he/she need not be so. > With kind regards, > > R. S. Mani Hari Om Shri Maniji, Pranaams! If you closely observe, the case would be that nobody want to go unnoticed when they are at their best or doing good and quite contrary when low and doing bad and want to hide under cover. Nobody can feel satisfied or good(i.e. in peace with themselves) by doing the opposite. paradharmaH bhaya AvahaH. (That which is not dharma is fought with the danger of fear). In Shri Guru Smriti, Br. Pranipata Chaitanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Yes, Sri Nairji, your note is indeed funtastic ! R. S. Mani P.S. I have removed the tail. ICC World Twenty20 England & #39;09 exclusively on ! CRICKET http://cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Namaste Maniji: Your interesting question has already generated several replies and let me add my observations below: From the advaitic point of view, every BODY (mind and intellect) likes admiration and hates condemnation! But the Atman (soul) with no body, no mind and no intellect just witnesses the necessary and unnecessary admirations and condemnations. In other words that the identification by the Jiva with the Body, Mind and Intellect causes the experience that we observe from day to day. I also like the insightful observation by Pranipataji and fully agree with his assessment. Those who work as volunteers in non profit organizations will get plenty of opportunities to witness what has been noted by Pranipataji's explanation. Here are some example incidents observed by me while working as the Treasurer of Local Temple: (1) During the yearly general body meeting, the anonymous donor to the temple asks whether the temple received the check for the amount of $1000! (this donor wants everyone to notice the amount of his anonymous donation was for $1000.) (2) None of the board members would like another board member to point out any known and unknown mistakes! As advaitins, we have lot more to learn from the Nature to amend our attitudes. Flower plants without thorns, flower plants with thorns, weeds with and with thorns and poison coexist in Nature. They just provide what has been ordained by the Nature and provide the services accordingly. We the human beings have the option to choose how to use them wisely and we do most often use them wisely. We need to recognize that everything that exists in the nature for a purpose to serve! Those who realize this truth become the perfect yogi as envisioned in Bhagavad Gita! With my warm regards, Ram Chandran advaitin , " R.S.MANI " <r_s_mani wrote: > > Namaste, all > We observe from day today experience that nobody wants to be ignored from a baby to an old person. What is the reason for this particularly from the angle of Advaita? > Similarly, nobody wants to be told that he/she is a bad person. On the other hand, everybody feels happy if he or she is told that he/she is a good person, even if he/she need not be so. > With kind regards, > > R. S. Mani > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Pranams Mani-ji Why nobody likes to be ignored? It is precisely because he or she IS a nobody, who in reality is a everybody, but instead looks to every other nobody to see if they accept and acknowledge him or her as a somebody. I am both insignificant and unacceptable - this is the Universal problem - naisargikoyam lokavyavahara as Shankara terms it. From this basic problem stems a need for acceptance. I crave acceptance from every other being on Earth - which is futile. Starting from my parents down to friends, spouse, children, inlaws, professional colleagues, peers, etc etc my entire life is spent in seeking acceptance from " others " - primarily because there is no " self " acceptance. So we constantly try to do things that we feel will improve our shot at gaining this acceptance, by gaining a sense of " worth " - be it by accumulating wealth, power, fame, relationships, etc etc in a hopelessly futile search'n'rescue mission. That is where Vedanta comes in and tells you " you are OK, you are complete, as you are, not as you want yourself to be - recognize this. understand this. Destroy this notional insigificance, by looking at its source, by vichara. " At the same time, recongizing that this need for acceptance, is a Universal trait, within the Order that is Ishwara, should help us avoid the trap of self-condemnation as well. Krishna tells Arjuna " akirtim chapi bhutani... " - you will incur infamy by neglecting your duty - so you see here Krishna as a Vedantic teacher isnt simply telling Arjuna to do panchakosha viveka and recongize he isnt the body/mind/etc..and forget about what people will think of him....he is in fact telling him to be wary of and not risk incurring societal rejection and censure - this applies as much to each one of us since at this point in time we are very much a member of the society like Arjuna was. So success in any secular activity that we do, that helps us in our self-esteem, in our sense of psychological self-acceptance, does in this sense have its own utility as a sadhana as well, so we approach Vedanta with a pleasant disposition - " prashanta chittaya " in the terminology of the Munadaka Up. Hari OM Shri Gurubhyoh namah Shyam --- On Tue, 6/30/09, R.S.MANI <r_s_mani wrote: R.S.MANI <r_s_mani Nobody likes to be " IGNORED " ! " group " <advaitin > Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 12:05 AM Namaste, all We observe from day today experience that nobody wants to be “ignoredâ€, AbAlavridham, i.e. from a baby to an old person. What is the reason for this particularly from the angle of Advaita? Similarly, nobody wants to be told that he/she is a bad person. On the other hand, everybody feels happy if he or she is told that he/she is a good person, even if he/she need not be so. With kind regards, R. S. Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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