Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Dear richard This is a ery disturbing news. I remeber sending representations to district collector regarding making arunachala a national heritage monument. I do not know its status. Please dicuss with the president of the ashram who has some contacts. If any representation is to be sent to the authorities I can request other friends also to join. regards Ramana Sarma advaitin , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > Here is the post. > > http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/arunachala-under-attack/ > > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai?) that can take leadership? > > Om Arunachala, > Richard > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Dear members I am sorry that my earlier posting went through the group. In future I will send directly to the member, as strictly it may not be a group subject Ramana Sarma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Dear Mr Ramana Sarma, With humility, I differ with you. We, all members, are unanimous with your plan of action. Ramanashram is the national heritage/ monument. It is too important as a seat of Advaita, and the serenity of the Ashrama cannot be disturbed by the local builders. In fact through this group, a strong opposition can be mobilised. Regards Dilip Dhopavkar On 7/20/09, venkata ramana sarma podury <rpodury wrote: > > > > Dear members > > I am sorry that my earlier posting went through the group. In future I will > send directly to the member, as strictly it may not be a group subject > > Ramana Sarma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Richard I hope you are successful. The issue is of preserving that which is a spiritual direction/hope for many people, so I think it crosses " national " belonging. It could be unawareness of the spirituality that exists there, and if that awareness were there, would people want to live in the houses built there? One never knows what is the right thing and how to get it done in these circumstances (I am talking based on my own work in TN, now), however, as one keeps doing what one can, something slowly starts shaping up in the direction of the right. I know it sounds silly, but would placards, informing people of the spirituality/sanctity that exists there be appropriate? Thankyou very much for your love of Arunachala and making its attack by " development " public knowledge. Vrunda , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > Here is the post. > > http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/arunachala-under-attack/ > > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai?) that can take leadership? > > Om Arunachala, > Richard > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I removed this post after being warned by two different Indian nationals in tow hours of the dangers of angering powerful interests. It was suggested, " Let Arunachala do its work. " I guess this is what I will do. Om Arunachala, Richard , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > Here is the post. > > http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/arunachala-under-attack/ > > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai?) that can take leadership? > > Om Arunachala, > Richard > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Thank you for the message. After getting two warnings this afternoon I am stepping back. Perhaps Arunachala will chose to work in some other way. Om Arunachala, Richard , " PV " <yvpy wrote: > > Richard > I hope you are successful. The issue is of preserving that which is a spiritual direction/hope for many people, so I think it crosses " national " belonging. It could be unawareness of the spirituality that exists there, and if that awareness were there, would people want to live in the houses built there? > > One never knows what is the right thing and how to get it done in these circumstances (I am talking based on my own work in TN, now), however, as one keeps doing what one can, something slowly starts shaping up in the direction of the right. > > I know it sounds silly, but would placards, informing people of the spirituality/sanctity that exists there be appropriate? > > Thankyou very much for your love of Arunachala and making its attack by " development " public knowledge. > > Vrunda > > , " Richard Clarke " <richard@> wrote: > > > > For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > > > Here is the post. > > > > http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/arunachala-under-attack/ > > > > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai?) that can take leadership? > > > > Om Arunachala, > > Richard > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Thank you Richard. I have never understood the word power. Vrunda , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > I removed this post after being warned by two different Indian nationals in tow hours of the dangers of angering powerful interests. It was suggested, " Let Arunachala do its work. " I guess this is what I will do. > > Om Arunachala, > Richard > , " Richard Clarke " <richard@> wrote: > > > > For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > > > Here is the post. > > > > http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/arunachala-under-attack/ > > > > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai?) that can take leadership? > > > > Om Arunachala, > > Richard > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Dear Richard congratulations to save you unnecessary real problems. Standing in the way of real BIG INTEREST is more than dangerous. If we do not feel we have to become martyrs we should accept the socalled "reality" of "world" and those in mortal power. Having been thru this more than once in this lifetime ande in others too my words are pure practical. And spiritual too - because lets IT do the work necessary. Actual facts from now: man made "swine flu" to a) earn BIG b) solve the overpopulation global financial crash not over much more to come manmade of course Profit racial hatred on the rise everywhere for example in central europe europe in general states and everywhere manmade big interests behind glooming atomic conflict in the middle east as starting point for different scenarious like fundamental christian belief in last days muslim belief in coming of the hidden imam and and and thank you for your ongoing work which serves us all in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - PV Monday, July 20, 2009 2:50 PM Re: Arunachala under attack! Thank you Richard. I have never understood the word power.Vrunda , "Richard Clarke" <richard wrote:>> I removed this post after being warned by two different Indian nationals in tow hours of the dangers of angering powerful interests. It was suggested, "Let Arunachala do its work." I guess this is what I will do.> > Om Arunachala,> Richard> , "Richard Clarke" <richard@> wrote:> >> > For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > > > Here is the post. > > > > http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/arunachala-under-attack/> > > > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai?) that can take leadership? > > > > Om Arunachala,> > Richard> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2249 - Release 07/19/09 17:59:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I removed this post after being warned by two different Indian nationals in tow hours of the dangers of angering powerful interestes. It was sugested, " Let Arunachala do its work. " I guess this is what I will do. Om Arunachala, Richard advaitajnana , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > Here is the post. > > http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/arunachala-under-attack/ > > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai?) that can take leadership? > > Om Arunachala, > Richard > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I removed this post after being warned by two different Indian nationals in tow hours of the dangers of angering powerful interests. It was suggested, " Let Arunachala do its work. " I guess this is what I will do. Om Arunachala, Richard advaitin , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > Here is the post. > > http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/arunachala-under-attack/ > > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai?) that can take leadership? > > Om Arunachala, > Richard > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I removed this post after being warned by two different Indian nationals in tow hours of the dangers of angering powerful interests. It was suggested, " Let Arunachala do its work. " I guess this is what I will do. Om Arunachala, Richard , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > Here is the post. > > http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/arunachala-under-attack/ > > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai?) that can take leadership? > > Om Arunachala, > Richard > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Dear Richard Thank you for all your wonderful posts and the wonderful job you are doing keeping us present with you in your continuos Arunachala discovery. Your work is indeed exceptional, so are the posts and photos. They are bringing much joy. I am very sorry about those future constructions the same as you are. Yet reading this post I couldn't stop the feeling that I should answer you just to remind you that Bhagavan would want us to do the job that we are supposed to do when we undertake such a long journey: realization of our Self. This is why Arunachala and Ramana call us to them. I came across a paragraph in Gabriele Ebert's biography which I am bringing here: Whenever someone wanted to interfere in Ashram affairs Ramana would warn, “People walk up the drive to the Ashram in search of deliverance and then get caught up in Ashram politics and forget what they came for. If such matters were their concern they need not have come to Tiruvannamalai for them.†And to enthusiastic reformers he advised that it would be sufficient for them to reform themselves. It is sad indeed that human beings don't stop in their distructive constructions and affairs on account of nature and sacred places, yet as Ramana answered to Paul Brunton, there is One taking care of the world; so let us let Him do his job and let us do ours. I trust you are upset nomore, love viorica. --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Richard Clarke <richard wrote: Richard Clarke <richard Re: Arunachala under attack! Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 3:32 PM I removed this post after being warned by two different Indian nationals in tow hours of the dangers of angering powerful interests. It was suggested, "Let Arunachala do its work." I guess this is what I will do.Om Arunachala,Richard, "Richard Clarke" <richard > wrote:>> For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > Here is the post. > > http://richardaruna chala.wordpress. com/2009/ 07/20/arunachala -under-attack/> > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai? ) that can take leadership? > > Om Arunachala,> Richard> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > Perhaps Arunachala will chose to work in some other way. > " The Ordainer controls the fate of souls in accordance to their prarabdhakarma. Whatever us destined not to happen will not happen, try as you may. Whatever is detined to happen will happen, do what you may to prevent it. This is certain. The best course, therefore, is to remain silent. " Yours in Bhagavan, Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I respect your understanding of these matters Richard. One piece of input if I may. What possible danger could there be from these "powerful interests" and are you certain that Ramana wants you to abandon your efforts to stop this? Thank you for reading, In Ramana, Rafael Richard Clarke <richard Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:22:47 AM Re: Arunachala under attack! I removed this post after being warned by two different Indian nationals in tow hours of the dangers of angering powerful interests. It was suggested, "Let Arunachala do its work." I guess this is what I will do.Om Arunachala,Richard, "Richard Clarke" <richard > wrote:>> For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > Here is the post. > > http://richardaruna chala.wordpress. com/2009/ 07/20/arunachala -under-attack/> > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai? ) that can take leadership? > > Om Arunachala,> Richard> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Michael, Respectively, there are no unnecessary real problems... we must be willing to die physically if Ramana has ordained it. This doesn't mean looking for trouble but if the Ordainer is calling for a particular action, then so be it, only the one in question knows what their fate must be. Look at Gandhi... now I am on board with the practical approach of letting the world sort itself out, as a rule... but it is case by case specific... just as Ramana had Anamaili swami build and build... there may be a particular devotee that can achieve the protection of the inner path, if Ramana ordains it. Rafael Michael Bindel <michael.bindel Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 6:00:47 AMRe: Re: Arunachala under attack! Dear Richard congratulations to save you unnecessary real problems. Standing in the way of real BIG INTEREST is more than dangerous. If we do not feel we have to become martyrs we should accept the socalled "reality" of "world" and those in mortal power. Having been thru this more than once in this lifetime ande in others too my words are pure practical. And spiritual too - because lets IT do the work necessary. Actual facts from now: man made "swine flu" to a) earn BIG b) solve the overpopulation global financial crash not over much more to come manmade of course Profit racial hatred on the rise everywhere for example in central europe europe in general states and everywhere manmade big interests behind glooming atomic conflict in the middle east as starting point for different scenarious like fundamental christian belief in last days muslim belief in coming of the hidden imam and and and thank you for your ongoing work which serves us all in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - PV Monday, July 20, 2009 2:50 PM Re: Arunachala under attack! Thank you Richard. I have never understood the word power.Vrunda, "Richard Clarke" <richard > wrote:>> I removed this post after being warned by two different Indian nationals in tow hours of the dangers of angering powerful interests. It was suggested, "Let Arunachala do its work." I guess this is what I will do.> > Om Arunachala,> Richard> , "Richard Clarke" <richard@> wrote:> >> > For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > > > Here is the post. > > > > http://richardaruna chala.wordpress. com/2009/ 07/20/arunachala -under-attack/> > > > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai? ) that can take leadership? > > > > Om Arunachala,> > Richard> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2249 - Release 07/19/09 17:59:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Mouna, Always a great reminder to us all. Thank you. Remaining silent does not necissarily indicate refraining from action. Something specific is being looked at and though I may not know the full details, I am certain someone or something can and will be done if the Ordainer wills it. The only question is if Richard is the man for the job or knows someone who is. But there should be no unwillingess to participate if it is true to do. Rafael upadesa <maunna Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:21:42 AM Re: Arunachala under attack! "Richard Clarke" <richard > wrote:>> Perhaps Arunachala will chose to work in some other way.>"The Ordainer controls the fate of souls in accordance to theirprarabdhakarma.Whatever us destined not to happen will not happen, try as you may.Whatever is detined to happen will happen, do what you may to preventit.This is certain. The best course, therefore, is to remain silent."Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Dear Richard, I am sure the Ashram authorities are aware of what is going on and will take appropriate action if it is possible. All love, Yours in Bhagavan, Alan--- On Mon, 20/7/09, PV <yvpy wrote: PV <yvpy Re: Arunachala under attack! Date: Monday, 20 July, 2009, 1:50 PM Thank you Richard. I have never understood the word power.Vrunda, "Richard Clarke" <richard > wrote:>> I removed this post after being warned by two different Indian nationals in tow hours of the dangers of angering powerful interests. It was suggested, "Let Arunachala do its work." I guess this is what I will do.> > Om Arunachala,> Richard> , "Richard Clarke" <richard@> wrote:> >> > For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > > > Here is the post. > > > > http://richardaruna chala.wordpress. com/2009/ 07/20/arunachala -under-attack/> > > > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai? ) that can take leadership? > > > > Om Arunachala,> > Richard> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 HE is the sole doer ..we are but instruments ..HE gets everything done as per HIS ordained wish ..At the same time he uses instruments to " bell the cat " and that is exactly what Richard is being "ordained " to "do " ...We are all with Richard on this issue..--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstoneman wrote: Rafe Stoneman <rafaelstonemanRe: Re: Arunachala under attack! Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 8:21 PM I respect your understanding of these matters Richard. One piece of input if I may. What possible danger could there be from these "powerful interests" and are you certain that Ramana wants you to abandon your efforts to stop this? Thank you for reading, In Ramana, Rafael Richard Clarke <richard@infinitepie .net>Monday, July 20, 2009 5:22:47 AM Re: Arunachala under attack! I removed this post after being warned by two different Indian nationals in tow hours of the dangers of angering powerful interests. It was suggested, "Let Arunachala do its work." I guess this is what I will do.Om Arunachala,Richard, "Richard Clarke" <richard > wrote:>> For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > Here is the post. > > http://richardaruna chala.wordpress. com/2009/ 07/20/arunachala -under-attack/> > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai? ) that can take leadership? > > Om Arunachala,> Richard> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Dear All, That Arunachala that stands Unmoving at the center of our Heart cannot be damaged by any attack. What's happening around Arunachala is a good reminder of the fleeting nature of preceived objects, being Arunachala, Bhagavan's body, our loved ones, possesions, our own body,etc... Pointers, in the end, will change or dissapeared eventually. Certainly, the landscape around Arunachala changed a lot since Bhagavan's time, one has to walk around Tiru for a while, and specially around the Ashram to have a feeling of the spiritual marketplace that developed these days. There is a certain " dilution " of the powerful energy that emanated from sages like Bhagavan. Who knows if that's bad or good? Those being categories that we surimpose on top of what is, we can never be so sure at the outcome. Just to think that the tibetan massacre brought the possibility of the spreading of Buddhism in the west hemisphere and the awakening of compassion and knowledge for some many, is a chilling thought in itself. The ordainer controls, and yes, the best course, therefore, is to remain silent. Silence, in this context, is not " necessarily " shuting one's mouth, is not necessarily open it either... It means investigating the nature of the atachment we have with " our " actions. Watching the Noise produced by it. And that can only be done in Silence. It means taking our stand from our essential nature, the Self. In any case, everyone will act according to its own nature, for some, action will take the form of standing for one's beliefs even at the risk of losing one's visa, one's passport, one's freedom or even one's life. For others will be a more quiet and plannified form of action, planning ahead. Even others, will " do nothing " at all. At a bigger scale, I prefer to view it (Arunachala transforming little by little into a spiritual Disneyland) as a pointer coming from Bhagavan's Grace that says, in a quiet but profound voice: " Hold on to That that never changes in yourself, and leave the rest at Bhagavan's feet, after this, relax, and do what you have to do... " . Yours in Bhagavan, Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Dear Mouna, For me your letter is excellent and very sound doctrine. I fully agree.. On a practical level I think Richard should tell the President of Ramanasramam what he knows and leave it to him. The Ashram have handled similar cases in the past successfully, and have a great deal of local influence. All the very best, with love, In His Grace, Alan--- On Mon, 20/7/09, upadesa <maunna wrote: upadesa <maunna Re: Arunachala under attack! Date: Monday, 20 July, 2009, 6:53 PM Dear All,That Arunachala that stands Unmoving at the center of our Heart cannotbe damaged by any attack.What's happening around Arunachala is a good reminder of the fleetingnature of preceived objects, being Arunachala, Bhagavan's body, ourloved ones, possesions, our own body,etc...Pointers, in the end, will change or dissapeared eventually.Certainly, the landscape around Arunachala changed a lot sinceBhagavan's time, one has to walk around Tiru for a while, and speciallyaround the Ashram to have a feeling of the spiritual marketplace thatdeveloped these days. There is a certain "dilution" of the powerfulenergy that emanated from sages like Bhagavan.Who knows if that's bad or good? Those being categories that wesurimpose on top of what is, we can never be so sure at the outcome.Just to think that the tibetan massacre brought the possibility of thespreading of Buddhism in the west hemisphere and the awakening ofcompassion and knowledge for some many, is a chilling thought in itself.The ordainer controls, and yes, the best course, therefore, is to remainsilent.Silence, in this context, is not "necessarily" shuting one's mouth, isnot necessarily open it either... It means investigating the nature ofthe atachment we have with "our" actions. Watching the Noise produced byit. And that can only be done in Silence.It means taking our stand from our essential nature, the Self.In any case, everyone will act according to its own nature, for some,action will take the form of standing for one's beliefs even at the riskof losing one's visa, one's passport, one's freedom or even one's life.For others will be a more quiet and plannified form of action, planningahead. Even others, will "do nothing" at all.At a bigger scale, I prefer to view it (Arunachala transforming littleby little into a spiritual Disneyland) as a pointer coming fromBhagavan's Grace that says, in a quiet but profound voice: "Hold on toThat that never changes in yourself, and leave the rest at Bhagavan'sfeet, after this, relax, and do what you have to do...".Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > On a practical level I think Richard should tell the President of Ramanasramam what he knows and leave it to him. The Ashram have handled similar cases in the past successfully, and have a great deal of local influence. Dear Alan, As you know I have the greatest respect for you, so.. with due respect, and although I may or may not agree with you at the " practical level " of what need to be done, I think the word " should " was unnecessary in this context. I believe the readers and writers of these posts, we are mature enough to take our own decisions. Yours in Bhagavan, Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Rafael agree with you by the way Godmans book about Swami Anamalai is wonderful it showed me practically what Sri Ramana Maharshi LIFE was about..... michael - Rafe Stoneman Monday, July 20, 2009 4:56 PM Re: Re: Arunachala under attack! Michael, Respectively, there are no unnecessary real problems... we must be willing to die physically if Ramana has ordained it. This doesn't mean looking for trouble but if the Ordainer is calling for a particular action, then so be it, only the one in question knows what their fate must be. Look at Gandhi... now I am on board with the practical approach of letting the world sort itself out, as a rule... but it is case by case specific... just as Ramana had Anamaili swami build and build... there may be a particular devotee that can achieve the protection of the inner path, if Ramana ordains it. Rafael Michael Bindel <michael.bindel (AT) t-online (DOT) hu> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 6:00:47 AMRe: Re: Arunachala under attack! Dear Richard congratulations to save you unnecessary real problems. Standing in the way of real BIG INTEREST is more than dangerous. If we do not feel we have to become martyrs we should accept the socalled "reality" of "world" and those in mortal power. Having been thru this more than once in this lifetime ande in others too my words are pure practical. And spiritual too - because lets IT do the work necessary. Actual facts from now: man made "swine flu" to a) earn BIG b) solve the overpopulation global financial crash not over much more to come manmade of course Profit racial hatred on the rise everywhere for example in central europe europe in general states and everywhere manmade big interests behind glooming atomic conflict in the middle east as starting point for different scenarious like fundamental christian belief in last days muslim belief in coming of the hidden imam and and and thank you for your ongoing work which serves us all in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - PV Monday, July 20, 2009 2:50 PM Re: Arunachala under attack! Thank you Richard. I have never understood the word power.Vrunda, "Richard Clarke" <richard > wrote:>> I removed this post after being warned by two different Indian nationals in tow hours of the dangers of angering powerful interests. It was suggested, "Let Arunachala do its work." I guess this is what I will do.> > Om Arunachala,> Richard> , "Richard Clarke" <richard@> wrote:> >> > For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > > > Here is the post. > > > > http://richardaruna chala.wordpress. com/2009/ 07/20/arunachala -under-attack/> > > > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai? ) that can take leadership? > > > > Om Arunachala,> > Richard> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2249 - Release 07/19/09 17:59:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2250 - Release 07/20/09 06:16:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Brilliantly True! Thanks for going into detail. Valuable to all here. R upadesa <maunnaSent: Monday, July 20, 2009 10:53:39 AM Re: Arunachala under attack! Dear All,That Arunachala that stands Unmoving at the center of our Heart cannotbe damaged by any attack.What's happening around Arunachala is a good reminder of the fleetingnature of preceived objects, being Arunachala, Bhagavan's body, ourloved ones, possesions, our own body,etc...Pointers, in the end, will change or dissapeared eventually.Certainly, the landscape around Arunachala changed a lot sinceBhagavan's time, one has to walk around Tiru for a while, and speciallyaround the Ashram to have a feeling of the spiritual marketplace thatdeveloped these days. There is a certain "dilution" of the powerfulenergy that emanated from sages like Bhagavan.Who knows if that's bad or good? Those being categories that wesurimpose on top of what is, we can never be so sure at the outcome.Just to think that the tibetan massacre brought the possibility of thespreading of Buddhism in the west hemisphere and the awakening ofcompassion and knowledge for some many, is a chilling thought in itself.The ordainer controls, and yes, the best course, therefore, is to remainsilent.Silence, in this context, is not "necessarily" shuting one's mouth, isnot necessarily open it either... It means investigating the nature ofthe atachment we have with "our" actions. Watching the Noise produced byit. And that can only be done in Silence.It means taking our stand from our essential nature, the Self.In any case, everyone will act according to its own nature, for some,action will take the form of standing for one's beliefs even at the riskof losing one's visa, one's passport, one's freedom or even one's life.For others will be a more quiet and plannified form of action, planningahead. Even others, will "do nothing" at all.At a bigger scale, I prefer to view it (Arunachala transforming littleby little into a spiritual Disneyland) as a pointer coming fromBhagavan's Grace that says, in a quiet but profound voice: "Hold on toThat that never changes in yourself, and leave the rest at Bhagavan'sfeet, after this, relax, and do what you have to do...".Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Dear Mouna you express in a wonderful way that what IS. Its our part to accept it and to put in daily life. Living likewise is authenticity in itself or in another form expressed TRUTHFULLNESS in the face our best friend DEATH, which we should put in daily practice...... in Sri Ramana Maharshi michael - Rafe Stoneman Monday, July 20, 2009 8:58 PM Re: Re: Arunachala under attack! Brilliantly True! Thanks for going into detail. Valuable to all here. R upadesa <maunna > (AT) (DOT) .comSent: Monday, July 20, 2009 10:53:39 AM Re: Arunachala under attack! Dear All,That Arunachala that stands Unmoving at the center of our Heart cannotbe damaged by any attack.What's happening around Arunachala is a good reminder of the fleetingnature of preceived objects, being Arunachala, Bhagavan's body, ourloved ones, possesions, our own body,etc...Pointers, in the end, will change or dissapeared eventually.Certainly, the landscape around Arunachala changed a lot sinceBhagavan's time, one has to walk around Tiru for a while, and speciallyaround the Ashram to have a feeling of the spiritual marketplace thatdeveloped these days. There is a certain "dilution" of the powerfulenergy that emanated from sages like Bhagavan.Who knows if that's bad or good? Those being categories that wesurimpose on top of what is, we can never be so sure at the outcome.Just to think that the tibetan massacre brought the possibility of thespreading of Buddhism in the west hemisphere and the awakening ofcompassion and knowledge for some many, is a chilling thought in itself.The ordainer controls, and yes, the best course, therefore, is to remainsilent.Silence, in this context, is not "necessarily" shuting one's mouth, isnot necessarily open it either... It means investigating the nature ofthe atachment we have with "our" actions. Watching the Noise produced byit. And that can only be done in Silence.It means taking our stand from our essential nature, the Self.In any case, everyone will act according to its own nature, for some,action will take the form of standing for one's beliefs even at the riskof losing one's visa, one's passport, one's freedom or even one's life.For others will be a more quiet and plannified form of action, planningahead. Even others, will "do nothing" at all.At a bigger scale, I prefer to view it (Arunachala transforming littleby little into a spiritual Disneyland) as a pointer coming fromBhagavan's Grace that says, in a quiet but profound voice: "Hold on toThat that never changes in yourself, and leave the rest at Bhagavan'sfeet, after this, relax, and do what you have to do...".Yours in Bhagavan,Mouna Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2250 - Release 07/20/09 06:16:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Hi Richard, Thank you for your interest! Can you send a pointer to a non public page to the group? There might be some members among us who can raise visibility with the press (You'd also give your copy rights away to the photos/ article). Of course, this should not be occupying our consciousness for any significant length of time as Vicoria points in Bhagavan's teachings, but we surely should give our 2 cents / four annas to something this drastic? Thanks, Bala--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Richard Clarke <richard wrote: Richard Clarke <richard Re: Arunachala under attack! Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 5:32 AM I removed this post after being warned by two different Indian nationals in tow hours of the dangers of angering powerful interests. It was suggested, "Let Arunachala do its work." I guess this is what I will do.Om Arunachala,Richard, "Richard Clarke" <richard > wrote:>> For several months I have seen activity on the north side of Arunachala, right next to the Inner Path. Yesterday it was confirmed by a local that a developer now owns the property and is getting ready to develop houses. I went out this morning to take photos so you can see what we may be losing. I don't know if anything can be done. but maybe this can be stopped. If any action is to be done, it will have to come from Indian nationals. As westerners, people like my wife and I cannot really do much to influence local politicians. It may be too late. If no effort is made to stop this, then this will be the first step to the development of the Inner Path, and we will lose this place of holy solitude forever. > > Here is the post. > > http://richardaruna chala.wordpress. com/2009/ 07/20/arunachala -under-attack/> > What can be done? Is there an Indian national (ideally in Tiruvannamalai? ) that can take leadership? > > Om Arunachala,> Richard> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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